From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Oct 29 07:33:08 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ImVfv-0000hL-5N for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:33:08 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ImVfr-0000gu-9Q for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:33:06 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so1102514nfv for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:33:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=WrYPz8L8rZv4n3X1W7LVfc/FLhDFL+s9cRJBOOVWees=; b=nPubOYK1oi3MQ4etRsh2x84yzhIptDpO2Wmk4gBvY3UUpfbRk0ZIXs4ilawvbWVHnF9gN3GIp7nJxjtxJh9Yj5YJv2aznom3olx+z+J2TQxoNWixm4w6bvzCyj/FGL3V1LsRauEKWGmlIzk5emYEB+/x5SmPKlc6VlnEX9tfV1U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=odC5WwdvoHdMaAzFESnBkVuw6TLSuFfCS7kRnoKvttggE/LNqLI7pVPsyjA0oEIJiCvwqYKBzZZEs3h1dUlEENT11d+NpBJwyTZxmdpoqWvbP23ctZrqlq25gAa+NnPQVOWDvw9TMkLCG7GQc+4N2PUTCzqRKiU0lLOrbUf/mxc= Received: by 10.86.60.7 with SMTP id i7mr4857524fga.1193668381038; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560710290733y24471e3ex84a55cff78d853ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:33:00 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Quick Reference Guide for language words In-Reply-To: <975a94850710290713u6a4f1ac3lfa33441440e1522b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <975a94850710270735t210f5212s8d39dd0003c08578@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560710270759i39867469o9ff60e75905c59c0@mail.gmail.com> <2204fa080710270924k2a9b6cbby3b2926a935773b9f@mail.gmail.com> <975a94850710271658m5bdfbb23y7a0c7b271ad5acba@mail.gmail.com> <4724B538.7070800@lojban.org> <975a94850710290008j65ffe239sdf5b6acc9c6dea13@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560710290530s276be0dfl80e2b4bfcf42739f@mail.gmail.com> <975a94850710290713u6a4f1ac3lfa33441440e1522b@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5738 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 10/29/07, Joel Shellman wrote: > > lion is the modifier, hunter is the modificand. The question was are > tanru strict in implying that the set must be a subset of the > *modificand*---so, hunter, in this case. Ah, you're right, sorry. Yes, the modificand is what dictates the place structure of the tanru, so whatever fills the x1 of the tanru will be filling the x1 of the tertau (i.e. the modificand). There you have two more words for the glossary: seltau: modifier, tertau: modificand. Of course it is possible to use a tanru metaphorically, but it is equally possible to use a non-tanru predicate metaphorically, so there is no special connection between tanru and metaphors, other than JCB's apparent confusion about the meaning of "metaphor". mu'o mi'e xorxes