From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Nov 27 15:29:57 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:29:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Ix9sL-0000cp-CF for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:29:57 -0800 Received: from squid17.laughingsquid.net ([72.32.93.144]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Ix9sG-0000cf-Uf for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:29:57 -0800 Received: (qmail 23929 invoked by uid 48); 27 Nov 2007 15:29:43 -0800 Received: from c-75-68-233-37.hsd1.vt.comcast.net (c-75-68-233-37.hsd1.vt.comcast.net [75.68.233.37]) by webmail.ixkey.info (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:29:43 -0800 Message-ID: <20071127152943.bu724q1w08wckwc0@webmail.ixkey.info> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:29:43 -0800 From: mungojelly@ixkey.info To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mi darxi lo damri References: <20071127115601.sn7hya2p4ows8cog@webmail.ixkey.info> <925d17560711271416p4f97ed4cj66185a630ddb6cb3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560711271416p4f97ed4cj66185a630ddb6cb3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) X-Spam-Score: 1.8 X-Spam-Score-Int: 18 X-Spam-Bar: + X-archive-position: 5824 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mungojelly@ixkey.info Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Quoting Jorge Llambías : > You could say {mi darxi fi lo se damri} or {mi darxi lo damri lo se damri}. ki'e doi xorxes .io Yes I guess I must not have thought very long about the place structure of darxi if I felt like I needed a sepi'o instead of the fi place. :) Do I understand this correctly then: darxi is a relationship between four parties: (fa) An agent which is causing two things, a te darxi and a se darxi, to strike each other, (fe) The thing which is being struck, which I assume to be relatively stationary? (fi) The instrument used to strike, that is what part of their body or what object the agent causes to (forcefully? suddenly?) be touching the se darxi (fo) The place on the se darxi which is struck, the point of impact. Would it be "darxi" if the te darxi were no longer directly controlled by the darxi at the time of impact, as in to "hit" a target with an arrow? mi rapli ckire mu'o mi'e bret.