From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Nov 30 18:34:43 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:34:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IyIBn-0001BE-3f for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:34:43 -0800 Received: from web88009.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.196]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IyIBh-0001An-FL for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:34:42 -0800 Received: (qmail 66606 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2007 02:34:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=yZMT2Xp+K+JXzJrmo7j9xpU2TC9eeiDqR/ziRKD+AH9Amp4gmsEVgC+785UmE8MpLHuxGc/sXfzN8KUpKXjY6U055x71O7ENJBiHs/VqcKwWGIsdXw4NOIGk8FcELKsg9pSQ9XStT/dQJcBpjh15xBaDoYM2ddBlt3PIj1MuWEo=; X-YMail-OSG: zRs0OB4VM1lBtux.YWyUBQQ1dOJQSYZPdX4HyuJZtl6VplzO Received: from [99.229.12.248] by web88009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:34:27 PST Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:34:27 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Strange modals To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1966739667-1196476467=:65845" Message-ID: <987889.65845.qm@web88009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5834 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-1966739667-1196476467=:65845 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Jorge Llamb=EDas = =0ATo: lojban-beginners@lojban.org=0ASent: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:35:3= 3 PM=0ASubject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Strange modals=0A=0AOn Nov 29, 2007 = 12:33 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote:=0A> I must admit I still = have problems knowing when to use {di'o} and when to use {tu'i}.=0A=0AThe g= eneral way to indicate a location is {bu'u}, which only indicates=0Alocatio= n.=0A{sedi'o} indicates location+confinement. {tu'i} indicates location+per= manence.=0AIn cases of location+permaence+confinement both {sedi'o} and {tu= 'i} may=0Aapply, and which one to use may depend on what you want to emphas= ize more.=0A=0Azvati: x1 is located in x2.=0Ase stuzi: x1 is permanently lo= cated in x2.=0Adiklo: x1 is located in x2 and nowhere else within x3.=0A=0A= Many thanks! This actually explains why I found it so confusing. It seems= to me that possibly most cases of 'in' involve both confinement and perman= ence, so there appeared to be no clear rule about when to use {di'o} and wh= en to use {tu'i}.=0A=0Aki'e mu'o mi'e andrus --0-1966739667-1196476467=:65845 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Nov 29, 2007 12:3= 3 PM, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:
>  I must ad= mit I still have problems knowing when to use {di'o} and when to use {tu'i}= .

The general way to indicate a location is {bu'u}, which only indic= ates
location.
{sedi'o} indicates location+confinement. {tu'i} indica= tes location+permanence.
In cases of location+permaence+confinement both= {sedi'o} and {tu'i} may
apply, and which one to use may depend on what = you want to emphasize more.

zvati: x1 is located in x2.
se stuzi:= x1 is permanently located in x2.
diklo: x1 is located in x2 and nowhere else within x3.

Many thanks!  This a= ctually explains why I found it so confusing.  It seems to me that pos= sibly most cases of 'in' involve both confinement and permanence, so there = appeared to be no clear rule about when to use {di'o} and when to use = {tu'i}.
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