From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Nov 30 18:49:37 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:49:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IyIQD-0001Ym-3w for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:49:37 -0800 Received: from web88013.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.39.218]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IyIQ6-0001Yb-1w for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:49:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 76051 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2007 02:49:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ZTLyNMCrvOLZ88/xLFlHLFV2zgfqtWQyqI+EbzHrQGhlBD0pQ6K4Um5t49r1WV4SidOC5Vru95Los1kVA4vCOhFSgqVu+k0t2dUv99aZ3TPpwb+mwpb7IykufstEm4VfQdxEqx6fV9w1KSZtYvNShR7Ukv7UhTL3+C4qmSzdEs4=; X-YMail-OSG: 0Fx08MUVM1nRTNIAMDNI7A3kxVIkZGbPtJV376a5Ef_3J5Y6xCm5VVG8wgIO6GB.ufseyqPWzi10sxAkUFL2q_32gqbL7K2fYR5XMJb8UalM1e2_30jkpmRqk.0_XxKDF5TGNP6K9vwBNKs- Received: from [99.229.12.248] by web88013.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:49:21 PST Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:49:21 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Strange modals To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1109211181-1196477361=:48498" Message-ID: <593656.48498.qm@web88013.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5835 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-1109211181-1196477361=:48498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Jorge Llamb=EDas = =0ATo: lojban-beginners@lojban.org=0ASent: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:35:3= 3 PM=0ASubject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Strange modals=0A=0AOn Nov 29, 2007 = 12:33 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote:=0A> I must admit I still = have problems knowing when to use {di'o} and when to use {tu'i}.=0A=0AThe g= eneral way to indicate a location is {bu'u}, which only indicates=0Alocatio= n.=0A{sedi'o} indicates location+confinement. {tu'i} indicates location+per= manence.=0AIn cases of location+permaence+confinement both {sedi'o} and {tu= 'i} may=0Aapply, and which one to use may depend on what you want to emphas= ize more.=0A=0Azvati: x1 is located in x2.=0Ase stuzi: x1 is permanently lo= cated in x2.=0Adiklo: x1 is located in x2 and nowhere else within x3.=0A=0A= I may now be clearer on {sedio} and {tu'i} but am even more fuzzy on the di= stinction between {di'o} and {se di'o}. Both seem to mean the same thing, = at least sometimes. Is that so?=0A=0A=0Amu'o mi'e andrus --0-1109211181-1196477361=:48498 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llamb=ED= as <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Sent:= Friday, November 30, 2007 6:35:33 PM
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: St= range modals

On Nov 29, 2007 12:33 PM, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.co= m> wrote:
> I must admit I still have problems knowing w= hen to use {di'o} and when to use {tu'i}.

The general way to indicat= e a location is {bu'u}, which only indicates
location.
{sedi'o} indic= ates location+confinement. {tu'i} indicates location+permanence.
In case= s of location+permaence+confinement both {sedi'o} and {tu'i} may
apply, = and which one to use may depend on what you want to emphasize more.

= zvati: x1 is located in x2.
se stuzi: x1 is permanently located in x2.diklo: x1 is located in x2 and nowhere else within x3.

I may now b= e clearer on {sedio} and {tu'i} but am even more fuzzy on the distinction between {di'o= } and {se di'o}. Both seem to mean the same thing, at least sometimes= . Is that so?

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mu'o mi'e andrus

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