From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 21 07:05:33 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J5jRM-0007OB-8g for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:05:32 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.190]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J5jR8-0007ND-JP for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:05:28 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b22so259229rvf.46 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:05:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=yhKTpkpN5cKcEyc3AhY8qPw6J2OiiPlZOoXLiQZSWUM=; b=CwZ1pR2n+CHk6G79nFYzSJ4tLZbf2p8wWNNf2Ul/MjeWYo9s30gxccETdD1TF0Pt0o4bIXiMyN+j18ieucqnn5/QRd+lmHtXNuzJAWz4YQgVtI/3WVIaauEn/Ngj3KhOTDm5GsRMs72u0HBoCzANdA5Beu/EHasYoVvVg5VmBUI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=wKFgZJv6kH8h3JvkKxdzZv3Uk6w4Gp3XfIKmfgapujKI8azXUNMIFb4uB6R2vyXoBftI2nBJAkuf2Lv4STGTjk94URN5AUuVWtY57LVBFT0bgGL8PMlKEOEGy2Z4/NPGSe+S4lEHhj5dqhEcOhx46eHLEfGtdCy9/4daCN1gQmo= Received: by 10.141.99.4 with SMTP id b4mr779877rvm.196.1198249092934; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.202.21 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:58:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <96f789a60712210658o71af36f7j9d3e73813ae6839f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:58:12 -0500 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Correction please In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0712210307i4aad2c31jc98c7b95fbb566f0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_478_1670942.1198249092926" References: <2f91285f0712210307i4aad2c31jc98c7b95fbb566f0@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_478_1670942.1198249092926 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Dec 21, 2007 6:07 AM, Vid Sintef wrote: > Are these ok? > > Cheesemaking is as much an art as a science > lo nu zbasu cirla cu du lo selylarcu du'i lo selsaske / lo nu zbasu > cirla cu selylarcu du'i lo selsaske The first sentence says that being a making/maker *type of* cheese is the same thing as an art as much as it is a science subject. The second sentence says that being a making/maker *type of* cheese is an art as much as it a science subject So the first thing you want is not zbasu cirla (maker cheese), but either cirla zbasu (cheese maker), or more precisely, zbasu loi cirla (making cheese). And while du'i lo selsaske (selske is fine, btw) is fine, you might think about gi'e selske instead (cheesemaking is both an art and science). Don't use the "du" construction. It isn't applicable here. You aren't identifying something, just characterizing it. > > > She is characteristically a funny person. > ko'a sekai xajmi prenu / ko'a kai xajmi prenu No. This doesn't work. sekai/kai is a modal. It says that she (characterized/ or characterized by something unspecified) is a f unny person. You want ko'a ckaji lo ka ce'u xajmi prenu (she is characterized by the property of her being a funny person). --gejyspa > > mu'o mi'e vid > > > > ------=_Part_478_1670942.1198249092926 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Dec 21, 2007 6:07 AM, Vid Sintef <picos.picos@gmail.com> wrote:
Are these ok?

Cheesemaking is as much an art as a science
lo nu zbasu cirla cu du lo selylarcu du'i lo selsaske / lo nu zbasu
cirla cu selylarcu du'i lo selsaske

The first sentence says  that being a  making/maker type of cheese is the same thing as an art as much as it is a science subject. 
The second sentence says that being a  making/maker type of cheese is an art as much as it a science subject

  So the first thing you want is not zbasu cirla (maker cheese), but either cirla zbasu (cheese maker), or more precisely, zbasu loi cirla (making cheese).  And while du'i lo selsaske (selske is fine, btw) is fine, you might think about gi'e selske instead (cheesemaking is both an art and science).  Don't use the "du" construction.  It isn't applicable here.  You aren't identifying something, just characterizing it.
 


She is characteristically a funny person.
ko'a sekai xajmi prenu / ko'a kai xajmi prenu

  No.  This doesn't work.  sekai/kai is a modal.   It says that she (characterized/ or characterized by something unspecified) is a f unny person.  You want ko'a ckaji lo ka ce'u xajmi prenu (she is characterized by the property of her being a funny person).

          --gejyspa


 



mu'o mi'e vid




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