From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Dec 24 14:50:18 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J6w7m-0007iX-3v for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:50:18 -0800 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J6w7h-0007iE-US for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:50:17 -0800 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E179CCE88B for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:50:08 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: [brivla + brivla] and [brivla + KOhA] Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:50:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <2f91285f0712190341v73c9fdala3239516ef54e2e9@mail.gmail.com> <20071224120704.20l3ajqqp4o0oo4o@webmail.ixkey.info> In-Reply-To: <20071224120704.20l3ajqqp4o0oo4o@webmail.ixkey.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712241750.05308.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 24 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Monday 24 December 2007 15:07, mungojelly@ixkey.info wrote: > It seems your confusion is what role the "puzi" is playing. It's not > part of a tanru with zo culno; it's tense-tagging the sumti. You can > put all sorts of interesting tags and transformations in that > position. One of my favorites is that you can put a BAI cmavo, to > make a sumti which is the sort of thing that would fill that BAI > place, for instance: "lo bau cusku" -- the language of (an) > expression, or "lo pi'o gerku" -- the user of a dog (maybe it's a > seeing eye dog)! That's {lo jai pi'o gerku} - {lo pi'o gerku} means "a dog with a user". {lo jai pu gerku} is also grammatical, according to jbofi'e, and means "a time before which something is a dog". The note on jbovlaste says {ca farvi gau}. The developer of jbovlaste is {le ca jai gau farvi}. Pierre