From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 26 07:13:42 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J7Xwz-0003Ye-OH for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:13:42 -0800 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J7Xwt-0003YC-01 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:13:41 -0800 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1287179fga.0 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:13:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=bxx1uE+8o3Mx87T6P/hluVw4eQeJUxXYvnuFXWWHh5w=; b=FVzeoLOdFvcGypONsivCKIIEo2gmJ7Srsb/zzY5C0ceDrbY4I9lWe6utbzlm02Ktq8288RtC7IerW4cJ6Yu1XOJO3wGLm/clyvW4p27ZYnlyqBL+lTw772COxDlgZE2TVvfRyDPA1XM2EoW3SKuwKM3By01Hog+glAIjyddP0oQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=stCl5tzIfXL6Rcgb35yoZe+fwzSd0R3MAmmzNNQ8wQBrOp5uHRZlS9HeLctoAk/GwleWixuqXu0Wvy3L2GB0b+ISSnEOTPtPeqFo942AMROUFaawO+ng9MdkZFNkBky78c4mRiwjFMVoqq/o98KdGNmLdPjC+MtIpUx3FnglX4U= Received: by 10.86.51.2 with SMTP id y2mr6773533fgy.17.1198682012844; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 07:13:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560712260713t68bbaf0bo318ddd41c158c671@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:13:32 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: nitcu le denpa lerfu fi ma In-Reply-To: <200712260106.34434.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071225195037.f1affe0bd44gssgs@webmail.ixkey.info> <97f5058c0712252012g60c0f362qa057866ea28556b2@mail.gmail.com> <200712260106.34434.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 35 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Dec 26, 2007 3:06 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 25 December 2007 23:12, Penguino wrote: > > > A pause is needed after the first delimiter, and before the second. There's > > another one after the second *gy.* because it is a letter-word. If a > > non-letter-word was used then it won't be needed: "zoi zoi. something .zoi" > > Thus {zoi zoi. borzoi .zoi} is a valid quotation. About {zoi ly. > Lythraceae .ly.}, I'm not so sure. It shouldn't be a problem either because "Lythraceae" cannot be broken up into a string of Lojban words, so the parser should take it as a single foreign word. At least that's what camxes would do with it. > The reason for requiring the pause after Cy (it's not required after {tei} and > other words in BY that don't end in "y") is that, without it, a phrase such > as {le my moi} sounds like a lujvo. If the Cy is followed by a CV cmavo, and > the pause is moved after the CV, the pause still prevents it from being taken > as a lujvo. So I say {le kybu. moi}. {lekybumoi} is also not a probem, as it cannot be anything but a string of cmavo {le ky bu moi}. If I'm not mistaken, besides its use as a zoi-delimiter, the only times when a pause is required after Cy is when immediately preceded by a CV without an intervening pause and followed by a brivla or a CVV cmavo, because in that case CVCy- looks like an initial rafsi instead of like two cmavo. mu'o mi'e xorxes