From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 26 09:22:49 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J7Zxx-0001Nm-0w for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:22:49 -0800 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J7Zxp-0001Mp-CE for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:22:48 -0800 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1306078fga.0 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:22:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=VDbQuyX0xFPkQDZpePHdCdJP1J6dh15ORos9yy+xwL0=; b=abqIOI1EUDecfHa/t2yHUr+zWgESvR5uMAtITg8HdR/C8o5f/YHdgF4w9I/UNuhseTC4O/FQCOchS4z+wkK6mueEcABfx8M7SGn6/FjQhayO9OPNJWAREeprI02J+d1+lUu1F/W/VHtoJ4/Qi/AT3HL7GGhNUe9YHSYLm6gGW0U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dNll82vgDQPSs3Am47qiXwy/AX4Cms2ZTqOMLWXh8rC5wZmG9PNVL93C1bhHHh9yy17+9+os6qzyQ8CC2e7mvuXZKWiz+oXR3/0Pnp96M3L/FUpU8gt9IDIHR+zdaLpMYN7rG4MbzxVJIUvjWI5TyUchIRh4jFV3SNgufMe7Ky4= Received: by 10.86.58.3 with SMTP id g3mr6882079fga.1.1198689754000; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:22:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:22:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560712260922q26dd6069r4eb8b60b60ad7c8d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:22:33 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: nitcu le denpa lerfu fi ma In-Reply-To: <96f789a60712260856o1f283b81ma8c640e5779a546c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071225195037.f1affe0bd44gssgs@webmail.ixkey.info> <97f5058c0712252012g60c0f362qa057866ea28556b2@mail.gmail.com> <200712260106.34434.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60712260624x6587b05r12e8f47670a497@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712260720h79a85a40ldf662246410cbdcb@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60712260744r14fd1c39of2c8729000d721e0@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712260754o2e6b28a6p4e412e1e6809e19d@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60712260856o1f283b81ma8c640e5779a546c@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 43 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Dec 26, 2007 1:56 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > I'm sorry, but that's NOT what the CLL says. From the same section: > > > Within written text, the Lojban written word used as a delimiting word may > not appear, whereas within spoken text, the sound of the delimiting word may > not be uttered. This leads to occasional breakdowns of audio-visual > isomorphism: Example 10.3 is fine in speech but ungrammatical as written, > whereas Example 10.4 is correct when written but ungrammatical in > speech.10.3) ?mi djuno fi le valsi po'u zoi gy. gyrations .gy. > I know about the word which-is ``gyrations''. > > 10.4) ?mi djuno fi le valsi po'u zoi jai. gyrations .jai > > > I know about the word which-is ``gyrations''. > > ----- "jai"/"gy" only appears as part of "gyrations" but is explicitly > disallowed. OK, I didn't remember that CLL had that. In any case, such restriction is not necessary, since there is no way that the "gy" or "jai" within "gyrations", either in written text or as spoken, could be interpreted as a delimiter. "gyrations" as written is a cmevla and "gy" cannot fall off, and as pronounced it is also a cmevla or a foreign word, and "jai" can't be separated either, so camxes will not have a problem with it. mu'o mi'e xorxes