From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 26 10:13:48 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:13:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J7alI-0003tG-5V for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:13:48 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J7alC-0003sx-A2 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:13:47 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b22so1856086rvf.46 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:13:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=acDdB29/6VMfyGLAOSlfkOz9k2D4ePzXLmNNIOgMiTU=; b=KFpgpTLoi7iiSXxKY5sVdAMGQ0C72rfVcD6iZsXn0BRGrxf/A9BzsXd7FmKMdphzP0e7qoVsr/nrAjMd6Tjcvs76HpGLsfMBHXE37leRZLqz4JUKZ64hMY2tWAMbW2wnv5Fgqbt2tvpPvTT00VrywSoqbAkHh44wAtcDwHHLChY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ahsqFT7pBIAis6HMvmv868DpcYsrAaATqbYm7i6qFHw8fiLk7bnGjiN00WOCM6r53q25yuyR0xPkQsVqU0osp2kUKDXwYcUqDtvCfLYuvip2tPaYH9eARnKZrVvGCVVQNlMwkZH9zgY1qxaZGYI17xsn5iaZv0IiIGvivb0+chY= Received: by 10.141.90.17 with SMTP id s17mr3016602rvl.17.1198692820938; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.202.21 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:13:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <96f789a60712261013k36624c44m8685ee8a6f32ffb7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:13:40 -0500 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: nitcu le denpa lerfu fi ma In-Reply-To: <925d17560712260922q26dd6069r4eb8b60b60ad7c8d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7651_26344333.1198692820888" References: <20071225195037.f1affe0bd44gssgs@webmail.ixkey.info> <97f5058c0712252012g60c0f362qa057866ea28556b2@mail.gmail.com> <200712260106.34434.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60712260624x6587b05r12e8f47670a497@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712260720h79a85a40ldf662246410cbdcb@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60712260744r14fd1c39of2c8729000d721e0@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712260754o2e6b28a6p4e412e1e6809e19d@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60712260856o1f283b81ma8c640e5779a546c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560712260922q26dd6069r4eb8b60b60ad7c8d@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 46 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_7651_26344333.1198692820888 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Dec 26, 2007 12:22 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > > > > 10.4) ?mi djuno fi le valsi po'u zoi jai. gyrations .jai > > > > > > I know about the word which-is ``gyrations''. > > > > ----- "jai"/"gy" only appears as part of "gyrations" but is explicitl= y > > disallowed. > > OK, I didn't remember that CLL had that. In any case, such restriction > is not necessary, since there is no way that the "gy" or "jai" within > "gyrations", either in written text or as spoken, could be interpreted > as a delimiter. "gyrations" as written is a cmevla and "gy" cannot fall > off, and as pronounced it is also a cmevla or a foreign word, and "jai" > can't be separated either, so camxes will not have a problem with it. > The "fall-off" problem is presumably that AS SOON AS you hear(/see) that guard word/syllable, whatever, the quote is closed off, and the rest must b= e considered to be presumably valid lojban, and neither human nor computer parsers are expected to know it's an exception, since in a foreign quote there could be (as here) a pause before the word inside the quote. "mi djuno fi lo valsi po'u zoi jai .jai...*reicns jai" --gejyspa ------=_Part_7651_26344333.1198692820888 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On Dec 26, 2007 12:22 PM, Jorge Llamb=ED= as <jjllambias@gmail.com>= wrote:

>
> 10.4) ?mi djuno fi le valsi po'u= zoi jai. gyrations .jai
>
>
>  I know about the wor= d which-is ``gyrations''.
>
>  -----  "j= ai"/"gy" only appears as part of "gyrations" but i= s explicitly
> disallowed.

OK, I didn't remember that CLL had th= at. In any case, such restriction
is not necessary, since there is no wa= y that the "gy" or "jai" within
"gyrations"= ;, either in written text or as spoken, could be interpreted
as a delimiter. "gyrations" as written is a cmevla and "= gy" cannot fall
off, and as pronounced it is also a cmevla or a for= eign word, and "jai"
can't be separated either, so camxes = will not have a problem with it.

  The "fall-off" problem is presum= ably that AS SOON AS you hear(/see) that guard word/syllable, whatever, the= quote is closed off, and the rest must be considered to be presumably vali= d lojban, and neither human nor computer parsers are expected to know it= 9;s an exception, since in a foreign quote there could be (as here) a pause= before the word inside the quote.
"mi djuno fi lo valsi po'u zoi jai .jai...*reicns jai"
          &n= bsp;   --gejyspa

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