From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Dec 04 04:35:57 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IzX0F-00077R-O9 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:35:56 -0800 Received: from dsl081-066-183.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.66.183] helo=pinfu.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IzUMj-0008AI-25 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:47:20 -0800 Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.134.184]) by pinfu.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Iyqel-0000Tx-Jn for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:22:56 -0800 Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so361266mue for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:22:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=IBjWQPaRAGxzU7FtMt+EohbzR5cFjvwg+u96/R9v9rw=; b=cKzbZsGb8Dr1eN1neQDkpOUJiQiv32dEfrPyUdsmG3GV+7itzerKpDhOB1wqpLaSHkUpsYcMrQHC3WeNBI7/9McZFsy8uabrIa2QuDco3BodUcN7mDmU9awcC/nntK0PGm1bclPrpjCKwLuOoUhBH7jihPhmfvFuXlmQ/mXTGTU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AZ8qB1aB9z+BWgEa9KuRVyyrI8TlEIIUHIOhdN9DHb54YirTm4eFxOu+zhn2FpT4A/jZjsgQ//N6NqheXKc+NKMf0YpfMCQ+2pIiI2WZ8JMejX24XlWsiPKUEm5wXkGimA/uVL5ZindbfLhbpcEEq+mBkibB2xiRwjdvmHGm+K0= Received: by 10.86.84.5 with SMTP id h5mr9536550fgb.1196607293298; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:54:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 06:54:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560712020654p5e28adeco4e22962200549ab3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:54:53 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Strange modals In-Reply-To: <97f5058c0712012230s63574360w800eaa5dcf3935a4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <593656.48498.qm@web88013.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <97f5058c0711301941s6e75c1e1r267365a71ab1bc04@mail.gmail.com> <97f5058c0712012230s63574360w800eaa5dcf3935a4@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.7 X-Spam-Score-Int: 7 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5839 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Dec 2, 2007 3:30 AM, Penguino wrote: > The ma'oste says that di'o alone can be used to mean "at the locus of > (object)". I think the differene between di'o and sedi'o is that {X di'o Y} says that X occurs at the place where Y is confined, whereas {X sedi'o Y} says that X occurs at, and is confined to, place Y. They differ as to what is confined. Similarly, {X tu'i Y} says that X occurs permanently at location Y, whereas {X setu'i Y} says that X occurs at the place where Y is permanently located. They differ as to what is permanently located there. mu'o mi'e xorxes