From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Dec 04 17:14:17 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Iziq8-00013v-PV for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:14:17 -0800 Received: from web88011.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.230]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Iziq4-00013I-N4 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:14:16 -0800 Received: (qmail 83722 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2007 01:14:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=xWxvq5wWXC+UtWsKD3wT6Fl4QwPYyOTGACErLef4JpKrKBW/hR9XKR9zfPyR5QPMm/A5WgPJr6QmBafwMtUeQHAFes84eJnexwaYyD2KSKovVpWp2fmD8G7y/emMsPgSjfNEQcA+kechv7DHs+94GkZI1Xn6268R3ym1YmKzLxs=; X-YMail-OSG: fwSwBWwVM1nzy47HhYQBuFQhFu75BEzPxiX_qTaQZMWhpYE035F2unIO5T9kflknxBxZrOzbbyK80kyGtYfNngQgJVpNl1qKuuhn.ITQIqeJdsFL1lCXT0cjarfITIXrDzIJw6G4NsTdzf4- Received: from [99.229.12.248] by web88011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:14:04 PST Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:14:04 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Strange modals To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <238526.83132.qm@web88011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5842 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I think the differene between di'o and sedi'o is that {X di'o Y} says that X occurs at the place where Y is confined, whereas {X sedi'o Y} says that X occurs at, and is confined to, place Y. They differ as to what is confined. Similarly, {X tu'i Y} says that X occurs permanently at location Y, whereas {X setu'i Y} says that X occurs at the place where Y is permanently located. They differ as to what is permanently located there. But if {diklo}: x1 is located in x2 and nowhere else within x3 then surely {se diklo} must be: x1 is the only location of x2 within x3 and {X di'o Y} must be: X being the only location of Y within... But (X is the only location of Y within...) is not the same as (X occurs at the place where Y is confined)...or is it? mu'o mi'e andrus