From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Dec 10 08:46:12 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J1llj-0003xM-TY for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:46:12 -0800 Received: from squid17.laughingsquid.net ([72.32.93.144]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J1llg-0003x6-2d for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:46:11 -0800 Received: (qmail 24828 invoked by uid 48); 10 Dec 2007 08:39:21 -0800 Received: from c-75-68-233-37.hsd1.vt.comcast.net (c-75-68-233-37.hsd1.vt.comcast.net [75.68.233.37]) by webmail.ixkey.info (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:39:21 -0800 Message-ID: <20071210083921.6niaptyrtcc8gg0k@webmail.ixkey.info> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:39:21 -0800 From: mungojelly@ixkey.info To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] zo .o'o MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5854 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mungojelly@ixkey.info Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners The gloss for ".o'o" is "patience," and ".o'onai" gets "anger." For ".o'ocu'i" we've got "mere tolerance." I've been thinking about this series lately, & trying to get a deeper sense for what it means, and so I hoped .a'oro'a y'all could help me. What is this quality of ".o'o"ness, such that if you reverse it you get ".o'onai"? What I'm imagining now is it's like a series of events is going on, a process is going on which is causing the emotions in question. In the case of ".o'onai," with each time the event happens, or just with the continuing of time, there's this negative emotion, being frustrated, angry with the event going on. With ".o'ocu'i," the event isn't causing you any huge disturbance, so you can be OK with it going on for a while, but it's not exciting you either, you can "merely tolerate" it. On the other hand, with ".o'o," the continuing of the stimulus is enjoyable, actually desired: keep on with that, that's fine. Is that a good description of the character of the .o'o/.o'onai spectrum? Could anyone else .io help shed some light on it? .i'i mu'o mi'e bret.