From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 19 03:41:18 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4xIc-0005Yr-3A for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:41:18 -0800 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.238]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J4xIX-0005YP-5e for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:41:17 -0800 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so1495069nze.1 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:41:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=5ZiHARSxLlSu40w2MXiWmiDgiHQQxyXETogjehXVChg=; b=Khh/BEi2Wnh2BMfn++wYGMowFtRwHgx2bydzYba4QSJbUFZUh5hSBeqhOv+xZ6NmaAuu0VL8WE8g6EPOKfmf29ot2FN3T+zXVA7XdP3DahVU3sOcjjcfJfViR3DUnkYuFp2V9CzdrMNMO1j7WzNTzxWpxxj067jGfBOm+WHH8W8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CxVXQB1tjFXVLdmlWTJhrsr2hoyKn2ja1/FvCTBVK3Z/G6Q766VTtx1sKMcRC+6XT2XodsLnMV4CSfJaTYA3cIi5pgU4ZdtmVNB2TKDbLlZgEMpeXPv9O8vWEngumESDjho6a3pU5zxhx166UPAwcOOu8tbNo2yvrmwy4piGDo4= Received: by 10.142.125.5 with SMTP id x5mr721094wfc.40.1198064466612; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:41:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.99.19 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:41:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2f91285f0712190341v73c9fdala3239516ef54e2e9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:41:06 +0100 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners Subject: [lojban-beginners] [brivla + brivla] and [brivla + KOhA] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5859 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Some pretty much basic questions. I forgot how the following expression is unambiguous: { le puzi culno ca kunti } The given translation is "The one full just a little time ago is now empty", so it is meant to be a complete bridi consisting of the sumti { le puzi culno } and the selbri { ca kunti }. But is it not also possible that the two brivla { culno } and { kunti } make up one sumti, meaning "the full-just-a-little-time-ago-kind-of now-empty one"? Similarly: { ko zbasu lo cnino [ku] ti } (Make a new one from this.) { ko zbasu lo cnino ti [ku] } (Make a new kind of this one.) The two expressions are identical in appearance, which I think is the case with every instance of the sequence "descriptor + brivla + KOhA". And people almost always elide the delimier { ku } before KOhA. If it is that KOhA cannot join a brivla to form some tanru-like unit like the one above, why such other sumti constructs like { le mi zdani } is valid? mu'o mi'e vid