From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Dec 29 13:07:37 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J8iu8-0007QL-DW for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:07:37 -0800 Received: from squid17.laughingsquid.net ([72.32.93.144]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J8iu2-0007Pg-QC for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:07:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 30911 invoked by uid 48); 29 Dec 2007 13:07:22 -0800 Received: from c-24-63-92-33.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (c-24-63-92-33.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.63.92.33]) by webmail.ixkey.info (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:07:22 -0800 Message-ID: <20071229130722.u44g3e3t6osco0w8@webmail.ixkey.info> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:07:22 -0800 From: mungojelly@ixkey.info To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] non-linear writing, was Re: Orthography References: <20071226221955.bktr29rj4g4sccw4@webmail.ixkey.info> <97f5058c0712262335w517dbcb0h41854297e86062de@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <97f5058c0712262335w517dbcb0h41854297e86062de@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 77 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mungojelly@ixkey.info Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Quoting Penguino : > Getting rid of the terminators would interfere with audio-visual > isomorphism; however feel free to explore as you wish. I think Lojban will > make a pretty good "base" for such a system. Well the thing with writing nonlinearly is that it doesn't necessarily match up to a particular linear version. You could read out the same nonlinear sentence several different ways, resulting in different linear sentences which require different terminators. For instance suppose you had the sentence: .i le gerku cu bajra (the dog runs) And then you run two different relative phrases off the end of "gerku": "poi xekri" (the black one) and "noi se prami mi" (which incidentally I love). You could then read that out as two different linear sentences: .i le gerku poi xekri noi se prami mi bajra -- i don't believe you need any terminators there?? or-- .i le gerku noi se prami mi ge'u poi xekri cu bajra -- which requires both phrases be terminated somehow. mu'o mi'e doi bret.