From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Dec 31 03:41:12 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J9J11-0003Ow-HY for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:41:12 -0800 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J9J0l-0003OX-65 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:41:07 -0800 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so2336161fga.0 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:40:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Vw2BGYZ2kIlZUbmNjOTZSPqlddvNLjw6zvXXklB2l/I=; b=xwuMy8MDKhxMpBaUNdhRAQSzkHQkclUnXXDGZznSV4hBwkUegJ3/ioeBeRcZfZ5N6cpuHRw6W2UmfoICC0ThUqx43minO90ayaomoAcUIcU6pVy3PRz8qhpsKdvWxZuMub7GhUwDDQ7KH/PZMTh4FbAabFoChZbYdUhLoCO6O8U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JbYZYNAH0yMsaAmxuwr6fk4BuDXmOu0t7AodLuSPCtrSv3SXTo5AzBNW+kSGegIqX9CR+kx9/naoCezVYtDiSd5drYzrAHc1wO+R1iBuIVBw8iv0T+sExcaDVCITZXlhG5f5S8xch0WZH2M7m/l8KwefgyDloiVM0mXgBMdVsNc= Received: by 10.86.51.2 with SMTP id y2mr12195039fgy.17.1199101247497; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.27.19 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:40:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560712310340j7a5cdf55l639a87dc1afd6c59@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:40:47 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: confusing gismus In-Reply-To: <20071230144732.4i70hzzqosk4ogcs@webmail.ixkey.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0712300908l379651c5o91cde87e8b81960e@mail.gmail.com> <20071230110938.lvwyvup5kwsc04g4@webmail.ixkey.info> <925d17560712301407j353e0f17j264267c967937b91@mail.gmail.com> <20071230144732.4i70hzzqosk4ogcs@webmail.ixkey.info> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 95 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Dec 30, 2007 7:47 PM, wrote: > Quoting Jorge Llambías : > > > One distinction is that skapi is a kind of material ("from x2") > > while pilka is a body-part ("of x2"). So pilka only becomes skapi > > once it has been removed from the animal it belonged to. > > Somewhat analogous to the distinction between "meat" and > > "flesh" in English. > > So human skin is "rempi'a" then? It could be {remna pilka} or {remna skapi}, depending on the conext. For example in this context: it would be {remna skapi}. At least that's the theory. In practice I think most people just use {skapi} even though {pilka} is wanted because {skapi} has keyword "skin" and {pilka} has keyword "crust". mu'o mi'e xorxes