From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Dec 31 10:38:54 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J9PXK-0001AJ-AT for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:38:54 -0800 Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net ([68.230.240.48]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J9PXG-0001A5-EH for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:38:54 -0800 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071231183842.SOVU476.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:38:42 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id XWdo1Y00C3y5FKc0000000; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:37:49 -0500 Message-ID: <477936E6.90709@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:37:26 -0500 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: confusing gismus References: <2f91285f0712300908l379651c5o91cde87e8b81960e@mail.gmail.com> <20071230110938.lvwyvup5kwsc04g4@webmail.ixkey.info> <2f91285f0712301503wa216cc9o18bc45ea7dd04a48@mail.gmail.com> <4778550C.9080506@lojban.org> <925d17560712310351q7f088eb8pefa493a860ef54b6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560712310351q7f088eb8pefa493a860ef54b6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 97 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Jorge Llambías wrote: > On Dec 30, 2007 11:33 PM, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > >>Lojban does have a human bias in that we have remna, and we do not have >>a word for any specific type of non-human intelligence. > > > What about {cevni} and {crida}? There is no particular requirement that either cevni or crida be intelligent (or have personalities). Those who see gods as impersonal forces would certainly not describe them as prenu. Likewise nature spirits might or might not be seen in this light. Of course, until we have a Lojbanist who has such beliefs, we won't know for sure %^) lojbab