From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Dec 31 10:46:11 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:46:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J9PeM-0001Pt-TL for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:46:11 -0800 Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net ([68.230.240.46]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J9PeI-0001PZ-SZ for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:46:10 -0800 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071231184557.NBCY23675.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:45:57 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id XWlS1Y0043y5FKc0000000; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:45:26 -0500 Message-ID: <47793898.6090100@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:44:40 -0500 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: confusing gismus References: <2f91285f0712300908l379651c5o91cde87e8b81960e@mail.gmail.com> <20071230110938.lvwyvup5kwsc04g4@webmail.ixkey.info> <925d17560712301407j353e0f17j264267c967937b91@mail.gmail.com> <20071230144732.4i70hzzqosk4ogcs@webmail.ixkey.info> <925d17560712310340j7a5cdf55l639a87dc1afd6c59@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560712310340j7a5cdf55l639a87dc1afd6c59@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 98 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Jorge Llambías wrote: > On Dec 30, 2007 7:47 PM, wrote: > >>Quoting Jorge Llambías : >> >> >>>One distinction is that skapi is a kind of material ("from x2") >>>while pilka is a body-part ("of x2"). So pilka only becomes skapi >>>once it has been removed from the animal it belonged to. >>>Somewhat analogous to the distinction between "meat" and >>>"flesh" in English. >> >>So human skin is "rempi'a" then? > > > It could be {remna pilka} or {remna skapi}, depending on the conext. > For example in this context: > > it would be {remna skapi}. > > At least that's the theory. In practice I think most people just use {skapi} > even though {pilka} is wanted because {skapi} has keyword "skin" and > {pilka} has keyword "crust". More importantly, pilka might be used for a bread crust, but I don't think it is skapi except in a metaphorical sense. I'm not certain about an orange peel or an eggshell - both are clearly pilka. lojbab