From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jan 05 14:15:58 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JBHJ7-0004NL-Pz for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:15:58 -0800 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JBHJ2-0004NC-Ec for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:15:57 -0800 Received: from chausie (unknown [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5C8CE79B for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:24:58 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: towns and countries Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:24:52 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <2027931199527204@webmail39.yandex.ru> <477FACE6.4050704@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: <477FACE6.4050704@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200801051624.52813.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 168 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Saturday 05 January 2008 11:14, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > Because Moscow was named by the Russians, the best Lojbanization would > be based on the Russian pronunciation of the name - thus probably "la > mozgvas" or "la moskfas" would be desireable, but lose visual > recognition. "la moskuas" seems like a reasonable compromise. The name > of the country clearly should be "la rosi,as" (which is pronounced as > you have written rosIas). According to the syllabication rules which Jorge and I have been discussing, which we don't agree on but which we agree on about this word, {mozgvas} and {moskfas} are invalid, because a syllable can neither end with "zg" or "sk" nor begin with "gv" or "kf". {moskov}, which was suggested by a Russian but I forget whom, is from the root of "Московский". > Similarly we Lojbanize Deutschland, and not Germany as the name of that > country, and the country in the Caucausus should be something like "la > sakartfelos" (Sakartvelo) rather that "la georgias". or "la gruz". I say "sakartulos", and "kartuli" for the brivla. Both "Kartuli" and "Kartveli" are used in Georgian, with a little distinction. Pierre