From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 07 14:12:07 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:12:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JC0CV-0001yR-4h for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:12:07 -0800 Received: from squid17.laughingsquid.net ([72.32.93.144]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JC0CR-0001y6-4i for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:12:06 -0800 Received: (qmail 18761 invoked by uid 48); 7 Jan 2008 14:11:53 -0800 Received: from c-75-68-233-37.hsd1.vt.comcast.net (c-75-68-233-37.hsd1.vt.comcast.net [75.68.233.37]) by webmail.ixkey.info (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:11:53 -0800 Message-ID: <20080107141153.pki44f5eassogwc4@webmail.ixkey.info> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:11:53 -0800 From: mungojelly@ixkey.info To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo .e'e References: <20080105225008.k2wyw47jywwowc44@webmail.ixkey.info> <925d17560801060549r667c5c87kcdbf542852bce09d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560801060549r667c5c87kcdbf542852bce09d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 179 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mungojelly@ixkey.info Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Quoting Jorge Llambías : > leaving {e'e} outside of the imperative mood pattern is unfortunate. > {e'e} can of course be used for self-exhortation too, like all the rest. OK, so ".e'e" isn't a feeling of being confident, it's a feeling that someone is capable (possibly yourself). How about ".ei"? I had been thinking it's your own obligation, can it be someone else's? Or is that what ".e'i" means, that someone is "constrained"/obligated to do something? mu'o mi'e la bret.