From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jan 15 02:10:50 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:10:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JEikq-0000ey-RW for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:10:50 -0800 Received: from web27706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.177.240]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JEikh-0000eY-HP for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:10:47 -0800 Received: (qmail 82157 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jan 2008 10:10:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=MBIySMwzULCzJFZBtAk7KMo0+cCXMWrSKlyKg0Ak7DVomFSygXMfvKiu5+S0xEa6IkDp3VmNXhD7Ddy9rRskknHjtmZqmZIrqaAMqM15Q2JhlUmSHt4ZTVm6Krw8RtcQsXmyYOo+0vp37dEt1zyxNAnJNyoN9qL7a3A8DrRrPVg=; X-YMail-OSG: vMJXhtAVM1l4yhqf.ELob0CgYBOdjVjewQtJYm.ctmcJyJUbdhF7cCOD9.g7db832rxKPiO21r005MhCpDB5ZEMSMNtqYIkq8_38JE4TeX9D1L0TqvExn_s.v8GLcgzVydsLqA16xaTSwA-- Received: from [130.239.156.94] by web27706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:10:26 GMT Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:10:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Isen hand Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A name for Sweden To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1577723575-1200391826=:81452" Message-ID: <541327.81452.qm@web27706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 232 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: isenhand@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-1577723575-1200391826=:81452 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <>=0A=0ADrats! Forgot about that bit= !=0A=0A<>=0A=0ASounds good to me :) Thanks.=0A=0A<= <[te'a] is ungrammatical in that position.>>=0A=0A=0A=0AOK, but should it n= ot have something to say that its km^2=0Arather than just km as its area? I= f so, than how would I say that?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----= =0AFrom: Penguino =0ATo: lojban-beginners@lojban.org= =0ASent: Tuesday, 15 January, 2008 10:37:47 AM=0ASubject: [lojban-beginners= ] Re: A name for Sweden=0A=0AOn Jan 15, 2008 5:08 PM, Isen hand wrote:=0A=0A=0AOn the lojban wiki there is an article for Swede= n where=0ASweden ahs the lojban name "suis", which has very little to do wi= th the Swedish=0Aname for Sweden which is Sverige. I suggested=0Asomething= like "svei,ey" but I* got this reply back on the discussion page:=0A=0A=0A= .i lojbo drani fa zoi zoi. sveiey .zoi na .e zo sfeies .e zo=0Azveies .i zo= i zoi. Sverige .zoi se=0Akrati ma ne ma'i la'o zoi. IPA .zoi .i mu'o mi'e k= omfo,amonan=0A=0AIf I read that correctly it complain that its unlojbanic (= or=0A=0Ahave I miss understood that?). So, I was wonder, anyone else have a= =0Asuggestion?=0AThere are two things wrong with it:=0A1. All cmevla must e= nd with a consonant.=0A2. The consonant cluster [sv] is disallowed in Lojba= n, as it is a voiced-unvoiced consonant pair.=0A=0A=0AGiven that the IPA fo= r [Sverige] is /=CB=88sv=C3=A6r.j=C9=99/, I suggest [la zveriys.].=0A =0A= =0ABTW, could some one explain why this is so:=0A=0Ani'o lo tumla pe ko'a k= urfa ki'otre li vo vo so ki'o so xa=0Amu=0A=0ARather than "ki'otre te'a li = re" as it area?=0A=0A=0A=0A[te'a] is ungrammatical in that position.=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=09=09=0A________________________________________________= ___________ =0ATo help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the= all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com --0-1577723575-1200391826=:81452 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<<All cmevla must end with a consonant.>&g= t;

Drats! Forgot about that bit!

<<I sug= gest [la zveriys.]>>

Sounds good to me :) Thanks.

<&= lt;[te'a] is ungrammatical in that position.>>

=0A=0AOK, but should it not have something to say that its k= m^2=0Arather than just km as its area? If so, than how would I say that?=0A=0A

----- Original Message ----
From: Penguino <sp= heniscine@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Sent: Tuesday= , 15 January, 2008 10:37:47 AM
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A name fo= r Sweden

On Jan 15, 2008 5:08 PM, Isen hand <isenhand@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
=0AOn the lojban wiki there is an article for Sweden where
Sweden ahs the = lojban name "suis", which has very little to do with the Swedish
name fo= r Sweden which is Sverige.  I suggested
something like "svei,ey" bu= t I* got this reply back on the discussion page:=0A

.i lojbo drani f= a zoi zoi. sveiey .zoi na .e zo sfeies .e zo
zveies .i zoi zoi. Sverige = .zoi se
krati ma ne ma'i la'o zoi. IPA .zoi .i mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
If I read that correctly it complain that its unlojbanic (or=0A
hav= e I miss understood that?). So, I was wonder, anyone else have a
suggest= ion?

There are two things wrong with it:
1. All cme= vla must end with a consonant.
2. The consonant cluster [sv] is disallow= ed in Lojban, as it is a voiced-unvoiced consonant pair.=0A

Given th= at the IPA for [Sverige] is /=CB=88sv=C3=A6r.j=C9=99/, I sug= gest [la zveriys.].
 
=0ABTW, could some one explain why this is so:
=
ni'o lo tumla pe ko'a kurfa ki'otre li vo vo so ki'o so xa
mu
Rather than "ki'otre te'a li re" as it area?

=0A
[te'a] is ungrammatical in that position.
=0A

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