From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jan 16 04:10:04 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JF75o-0000Dk-7X for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:10:04 -0800 Received: from pro10.proekspert.ee ([212.47.207.10]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JF75k-0000Bj-96 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:10:03 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pro10.proekspert.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066CEE7066F for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:17:07 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.488 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.488 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[AWL=0.111, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from pro10.proekspert.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pro10.proekspert.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sSsjZaKFhqKw for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:17:00 +0200 (EET) Received: from [212.47.207.59] (pro59.proekspert.ee [212.47.207.59]) by pro10.proekspert.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD01E7066B for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:17:00 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <478DF40B.1010002@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:09:47 +0200 From: Elmo Todurov User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.14pre (X11/20071018) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cmevla-final apostrophe References: <2f91285f0801160353m205ab989u5dfbc58f51a4e39b@mail.gmail.com> <437C9DCF-6631-47D8-AB42-F6895B3390B9@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <437C9DCF-6631-47D8-AB42-F6895B3390B9@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-Int: 12 X-Spam-Bar: + X-archive-position: 252 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: todurov@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Yoav Nir wrote: > I have no problem with that, but it's not a regular consonant. > > I'm all for allowing anything that would better align lojban names with > a person's real name (in their native language). But how does the > apostrophe help? How would you pronounce it? > > As Elmo said, why not allow also the comma? I think that's very useful, > as then we can have {la meri,} which is closer to "Mary" then {la meiris} Vice versa. I tried to produce an absurd analogy. "," is syllable/diphtong separator. It's pretty nonsensical (IMHO) to try to separate something from something which does not exist. The pause is exactly the same kind of nonsense -- you have to add a pause after a name anyway, so adding TWO pauses would be .. well, nonsense.