From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jan 16 19:12:52 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JFLBT-00054a-P6 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:12:52 -0800 Received: from web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([216.252.111.80]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JFLBP-00054G-84 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:12:51 -0800 Received: (qmail 60062 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2008 03:12:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=O0JWQaJNIe7vslGWYsxMdTTjr9cCV9fM083NrPqPgaYkuU9F/YxeVaeDs/5a/FNM2ZcIZVx8vGy4gqCa+9iy6K8oPL7GrLtAMjBkKPV1X5nlsETxxfpGR8UFw8vEFNygTTdjX+JDLq796XyZXkGhM6NvoCevUjLTYLiwkvFaa6I=; X-YMail-OSG: TulKhrIVM1lsHtNoRIZqoa8ASvFEPBb7ligAwCGTP2na_zbZ3mXqbZ.jlFTImeNSkqk3_oO70hS6P3c1M94FZEgub4.pxqfdrdgNqJZjaMehPiOLmEzQ3sw3SVMKUTyA0Pl4tjoJy8hN.VE- Received: from [76.237.204.167] by web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:12:40 PST Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:12:40 -0800 (PST) From: Nathaniel Krause Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cmevla-final apostrophe To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0801160353m205ab989u5dfbc58f51a4e39b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1361690687-1200539560=:58679" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <837691.58679.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 266 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nathanielkrause@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-1361690687-1200539560=:58679 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Vid Sintef wrote: What is the problem of using the apostrophe, which is effectively a consonant, instead of the other consonant letters, at the end of a cmevla? mu'o mi'e vid ' only occurs directly between vowels. A cmevla must always end in a consonant followed by a mandatory pause, which means that ' at the end of a cmevla would never have a vowel directly after it (to say nothing of the fact that most words begin with consonants). In other positions, ' is not considered distinct from other sounds. [h] is a consonant sound (of the barest sort), but ' is not really treated as a consonant in Lojban. When you count the letters in, say, "ko'a", for practical purposes, there are only three: k o a. You might think of "o'a" as simply a sequence of vowels with a brief sound placed between them to make them pronounceable. mu'o mi'e .sen. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-1361690687-1200539560=:58679 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Vid Sintef <picos.picos@gmail.com> wrote:
What is the problem of using the apostrophe, which is effectively a
consonant, instead of the other consonant letters, at the end of a
cmevla?

mu'o mi'e vid

' only occurs directly between vowels. A cmevla must always end in a consonant followed by a mandatory pause, which means that ' at the end of a cmevla would never have a vowel directly after it (to say nothing of the fact that most words begin with consonants). In other positions, ' is not considered distinct from other sounds.

[h] is a consonant sound (of the barest sort), but ' is not really treated as a consonant in Lojban. When you count the letters in, say, "ko'a", for practical purposes, there are only three: k o a. You might think of "o'a" as simply a sequence of vowels with a brief sound placed between them to make them pronounceable.

mu'o mi'e .sen.

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