From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jan 29 05:01:33 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:01:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JJq5k-0004oj-E7 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:01:32 -0800 Received: from web27710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.177.244]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JJq5f-0004oN-KJ for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:01:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 83864 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2008 13:01:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=rP+06UAVIaWqzqJGsVrgBdfqZ8ZU0HCNjB94X6w+X8hN67Wf6XvwFO4ZQ38LZmHLXzVmzipf7zHxBGajCFeB5iRnAUHucKu0b0jcojq42HtgQ0NoHNOFGwk/Z0xO21Pv6z84xYpEdwLI+yMl1YZStjQJPgIZyU5JD5kOQ0WSm0s=; X-YMail-OSG: kWyReYIVM1nWVMZrdzZN1DZVM7kBXv26qmhYfNWNDK93LGsRvLhyS_3fdAdLelmYZg-- Received: from [130.239.156.94] by web27710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:01:20 GMT Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:01:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Isen hand Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How do you make a rule? To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Message-ID: <728405.83103.qm@web27710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 309 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: isenhand@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners <> The x3 place of moi does state, according to the definition of moi, that it is a rule so we don’t have to assume that. We could just say “size” and know that the set is ordered by size? We could then add “smallest first” or “largest first” to specify the rule in more detail? ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llambías To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Sent: Tuesday, 29 January, 2008 1:48:27 PM Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How do you make a rule? On 1/29/08, Penguino wrote: > On Jan 29, 2008 3:46 PM, Isen hand wrote: > > > X3 of moi is a rule. How do you make a rule? If I want to > > say something like this is the 2nd largest hat that I have how would > > I express the rule "larger than" if I used moi? > > I believe [ka] works here: remoi fi le ka [ce'u] barda (second in > bigness/second biggest) That works under the assumptions that the things x2 are ordered by the amount of property x3 they have, and from most to least. Then x1 is the one that falls in the second place of that ordering. Both assumptions "amount of property" and "from most to least" seem to be natural enough, although it is not clear that the property itself is the rule. Giving an explicit rule would probably be something more complicated, something like "where the biggest one is first, and the (n+1)th is the biggest of those that remain after assigning n positions." mu'o mi'e xorxes ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com