From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Feb 10 23:13:49 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:13:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JOSrL-0007AU-Ti for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:13:48 -0800 Received: from web27701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.177.235]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JOSrD-00079R-GO for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:13:47 -0800 Received: (qmail 62027 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2008 07:13:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sMAIomzYBdI54N/Y+AKlv9RZUJ6fkN3VxDU3eupT+w3/RUmtgv09yssrJK01e6CbJUkQo253K83UE26g6F4NtzeXWInmhVUc5PHWaHQBLr544A7zIA/+XtiD52s9q0E3LUVcvXSnoFaRD3d1Eu37watAZm656NjRmWDqCFhPRno=; X-YMail-OSG: siFw36AVM1k1N4OhGgPkJc28aPi31eGaibKFgFZ0pvljTWbZRnmoYkj0Ha0Ccw2DzrrgmGTxYq6g3AH6O5s9e7jbyQQUBB10ioTHXHiBafcOkZ4FO6bHlqtVWyU- Received: from [130.239.156.94] by web27701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:13:31 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:13:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Isen hand Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: bridi into a cmene To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Message-ID: <338692.61097.qm@web27701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 339 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: isenhand@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Thanks all for the comments on creating the cmene but I’m still not happy on one point. I’ve been looking though the online version of the complete lojban language and it says regarding cmene: “Names may have almost any form, but always end in a consonant, and are followed by a pause.” So, it looks to me that whatever we use for Puerto Rican Independence Party, it should end in a consonant should it not? If not, why not? Thanks. BTW, the email problem should, I hope, be fixed? ----- Original Message ---- From: "Jon "Top Hat" Jones" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Sent: Friday, 8 February, 2008 8:20:10 PM Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: bridi into a cmene On Feb 8, 2008 10:25 AM, komfo,amonan wrote: On Feb 8, 2008 10:32 AM, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote: On Feb 7, 2008 12:20 PM, komfo,amonan wrote: Some tips: On Feb 7, 2008 12:06 PM, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote: [...] Puerto Rico : la bloti marbi me'e lu ricfu [li'u] cu gugde This seems to translate to "That-which-is-called Port-named-'Rich' is a country". Right, well, that's about what was intended. Puerto Rico is a country, after all, and would be translated to English as Port Rich. I think rather it translates to the more ordinary & descriptive "rich port", which, if you were to translate it, would be {la ricfu [ke bloti] marbi} == "the-one-named rich type-of port". That's a possibilty as well, it could be the rich port, or it could be port "Rich". I opined that the latter was more likely, and my translation is based on that. In either case, the important part is the full structure: lo la blomracfu [ or cfublomra ] ku jecgri cu sarji lo zifre la blomracfuzi'ejecgri [or cfublomrazi'ejecgri ] I included {cu gugde} there to emphasize that I was talking about the nation, and not the culture, region, etc. Looks like you mean {poi gugde}. Possibly, but gugde worked well enough for the purpose, even if that does mean it's a bridi in that scenario, so I don't thinks it's all that important. mu'o mi'e komfn -- mu'o mi'e .topy'at. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu ___________________________________________________________ Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/