From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Feb 19 07:12:34 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:12:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JRU93-0004gE-R7 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:12:34 -0800 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.231]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JRU8w-0004fs-LB for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:12:33 -0800 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so1858597wxd.25 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:12:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=YuLpig/1EDYatAufhsPVsvGbqgb8wR1vOpukyBRSkM0=; b=W6aD6w/XIDGrDZyZr7h8rlRwhx+95Ffdljb/YpUoIRemYAsO5FtbmfbXpP+GJa81K3bKHjYHlNG12jDYdj35B6STR/qQFbQ9POEBNwllMmJRVHNYXZ5Lyp+p+Jgrnq498XWbk5jRt9r+0J2i+YbdE/VfqRblzvIsVqIaTPFf1cg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bXoqVV9O4RejGNxAYojDDy7lwP/NDKtlBiGTwPMTCuS5yfDUBxFMoah2JNdYknmqx6FDdK2GDmlBuP/8V8eduD76OhSWuS6Xzgfr57xb4RbYhw9q0pbqdP5bAqcXThuATbmAmVqbsYapAMZ1cLNiBtKFqL2lCUy/PG2FTHlkFVE= Received: by 10.140.180.11 with SMTP id c11mr4767743rvf.137.1203433944639; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.69.2 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:12:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <96f789a60802190712p142d7175ncd999a831dcc0e20@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:12:24 -0500 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Nth root of unity In-Reply-To: <6887.65810.qm@web62510.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200802172028.20159.phma@phma.optus.nu> <6887.65810.qm@web62510.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 360 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Feb 19, 2008 12:29 AM, Liam Dalton wrote: > I believe that the lojban number system in lojban has a cmavo for imaginary > number: perhaps by implementing it (ka'o) into the lujvo, it would be less > ambiguous, because relcimdyna'u also could imply a square measure (i.e., > square meter, square light-year, ect.) > > Maybe ka'orelcimdyna'u, or is that too unweildly? I mean, I can see a math > professor saying, "...poi ka'orelcim...ka'orel...oiro'a" > > Perhaps I am forgetting a precept against jamming cmavo into lujvo. Am I? > You can't just put a cmavo in front of a word, and expect it to be a part of a word. For starters, it "falls off". "ka'orelcimdyna'u" is parsed as "ka'o relcimdyna'u", the sumti "an imaginary amount of complex numbers". Secondly, remember that cmavo and rafsi partially overlap in morphology. Or too put it bluntly, "ka'o" is not only a cmavo for "i", but also the rafsi for "kanro". So you couldn't just put it in the word as ka'onrelcimdyna'u either (a healthy complex number?). If you WANTED to add cmavo to a lujvo, you have to do it with the aid of "zei" ("lujvo glue") in between. --gejyspa