From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 31 11:39:31 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JgOuo-0003zz-WF for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:39:31 -0700 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.188]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JgOuk-0003t7-A3 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:39:30 -0700 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b22so978866rvf.46 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:39:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=vIw5IDD5JVCU0d1yEKrJvBnk8BNU5FHhMFSRPBtXKpc=; b=QpNymodwoQWoRM1lt8RDPjxKytkLxdF75hkhqc/8BHiN48fD5aRZGV3MgglTnGeK4MJhgaaEJlHXfY3P0t7SUOYsTi0DuaalQgULxh9VCxgVXKaKq781P0NsV0EET7XEn7s6ICqXxlgSxZPpX/U7r3eOcOt0ozhSwGHOzcFUTO0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fj8sp4yZZrVhofH75e3SKua9hVaqfxEZuUE0nWe5r5KZFmTVi5814OzT4iSyWhzoWGihByzHlxJ3vk8DuYKlMpFYg1KRvaVOUAHbFOkXpQGVhuLmNoEHOxLRYG/VS0d79PeMvFZ54zR5ZAG9MzYMY1f/HFpNDvHtnsd4CP+rFJo= Received: by 10.141.27.16 with SMTP id e16mr3615732rvj.259.1206988765592; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.87.17 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <96f789a60803311139gd0bc4e4ncf677f7a4c184d40@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:39:25 -0400 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Picture book In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <96f789a60803310921w5447b09eo5b0cc347d323b4b9@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60803311116v389f0bd2gddb96e00ed9d018d@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / Sorry, got called away for a meeting, but just wanted to amplify a bit. When I say there is nothing inherently harder about "cipnrsparau" over "sparrow" I mean in the same way that an author of a English kid's book wouldn't choose, say, "berry" in preference to "strawberry", or "cart" in preference to "wheelbarrow". fui'vla and lujvo are all brivla, regardless of what their origin are, and grammatically, they act the same. Some words are harder to read/longer to say, but if a kid uses them in real life, no reason they can't be in a book. --gy X-archive-position: 407 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 2:33 PM, james riley wrote: > je'e fair point. It's getting dark here so I'll do part 2 tomorrow. Thanks > for the input. > > cmacis > > > On 31/03/2008, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > > FWIW, in re: this discussion, my guiding principal was that if the > > original author of this work thought that a child could, for example, > > distinguish between a sparrow and a pigeon, then there is no reason > > for us, 150 years later, to second guess that. There is nothing > > inherently harder about "cipnrsparau" over "cipni". Similarly for > > simplifying things that the author didn't, e.g. "George is working" > > instead of "George is making hay". > > > > --gejyspa > > > > > > > > > >