From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Apr 01 07:11:03 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JghCY-000073-M0 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:11:02 -0700 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.176]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JghCT-00006Q-Gv for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:11:02 -0700 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m16so2581321waf.20 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:10:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=M2TLhjeaAdHMxcU3XbNGV5p4V3Kc4Qa2GUWDIDi7fqU=; b=tpPMWaLayhL/x5IQPxcsH90460v7DJ/5bqANkf5HqCCfj/JhUVifltAW9c/yVcY7OuNkg39l3TADvA4Dnvm3+SI+V17nxSHc4tse3H4vhTRCiQ7Dd+Nr7WUcm1VMCII2T2Fj6t/d/CM6O/UdmXm3+GcrsIq722ztCBwTa1UCGgc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K9PFwnZkP44pUHSSPpxnjRjMaOcG3I8SwlOujLn7wXrkzPRyXAAnqMXoD6t3BZOkyJmuCUYaCGIqowBs+O0C3kWTvLcdfMxab2EpbubbRrd6DbA3UdaQltOHdgouV2D5HvMsfff+2pB/XUuP7aCuzbuwb/1Q7PMI+WO6fp4T+3M= Received: by 10.114.136.1 with SMTP id j1mr12456526wad.85.1207059051712; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.136.19 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0804010710x33ec6a3ak5218856e8ba9bad1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:10:51 +0200 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo bo In-Reply-To: <925d17560804010602u2dd4a6bek5876e5f6808c3310@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0803310712u446302b6j9a3b70fe3f68091c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560803311120m7b5175b7l6207e3cb495adca5@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0803311148p417ecf63k11d54ffc589b18c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560803311201x1190fa3j788d108a5c8e16bb@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0803311529w7550b697r3e98191ad129377c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560803311701n7fe0ef4bgd5585529580cfc82@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0804010045l54aa4d21q5c56697fafc458e2@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560804010602u2dd4a6bek5876e5f6808c3310@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 419 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > Since {nau} is always an absolute "reference point", does it not > > clearly tell an absolute perspective of the tenses of the connected > > bridi? > > Not clearly for me. What are the two arguments of {nau}? > What relationship does {nau} establish between them? The arguments are hidden, but the relationship seems to me clear. {mi do pu nelci gi'e nau bo prami}... My understanding is that 1) the event of prami is happening "right now" and 2) it was preceded by the event of nelci; {nau} sets a perspective in which the event of nelci is seen as a past. mu'o mi'e vid