From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Apr 01 10:27:40 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JgkGp-0001U2-GT for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:27:40 -0700 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JgkGj-0001Hy-N0 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:27:39 -0700 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so251283ywm.46 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:27:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=PMBIJJQ4COjz6XajZebjK2ZGcaP8nbKbFMSpr4YrlVg=; b=IPobVnwLaYDyT038FytxFvZaSiLATactRoNVFAUbuMHO1hksSsLGPqYTK8DqC6ofZyhryHPlH5brgHLdbv0uSps9HgP+9GPI3wapmjnqNxFT91HqKPe3Mkew3svVhLGRDBm4cfrE41EXMWEHl8/w3CsZwPZ93tKJhp/AYgnNU90= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a/ertD0agPpzbsVGTSlqd5U9YUtrw9xHDGlfKic/sdjEfwNkiyWpcR3JpRy2CQb9epyCIaIOVHDov3WPJuaXSDGFYnICCfDEgn6lrULnH7ZrspUpkMKxE/igwjEFt51P0zybeCXxI6Rv07JSAux43pPqfz5sr36kTeaAisDSH5g= Received: by 10.114.36.1 with SMTP id j1mr12847317waj.119.1207070836955; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.136.19 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0804011027x57cd21b8o765094103d8fd34b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:27:16 +0200 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo bo In-Reply-To: <925d17560804010848o1805477mffd4263d23bde906@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0803310712u446302b6j9a3b70fe3f68091c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560803311201x1190fa3j788d108a5c8e16bb@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0803311529w7550b697r3e98191ad129377c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560803311701n7fe0ef4bgd5585529580cfc82@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0804010045l54aa4d21q5c56697fafc458e2@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560804010602u2dd4a6bek5876e5f6808c3310@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0804010710x33ec6a3ak5218856e8ba9bad1@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560804010732s789875cob48694bd7f4b8e0f@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0804010829x792696efrb909039ab4e476a3@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560804010848o1805477mffd4263d23bde906@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 426 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > pu broda .i nau bo brode -> lo nu broda cu nau purci lo nu brode (or, > > lo nu broda cu purci lo nu nau brode) > > But won't {lo nu nelci} always remain in the past of {lo nu prami}, not > just right now? {lo nu nelci} may recur in the future, after {lo nu prami}. That will reverse the relationship: {lo nu prami cu purci lo nu nelci}. But right now/here it's {lo nu nelci} which is before the other, therefore {lo nu nelci cu nau purci lo nu prami}. Or it can be the other way arouond: {mi} had been used to love {do} before they became just friends, which is now being followed by the event of {mi} loving {do} again. > And the fact that right now they are in the purci > relationship with one another doesn't tell us which one of the two > (if any) is happening right now. > In any case, I wasn't really asking for a rephrasing, but for a selbri > such that {nau} = {fi'o xxxxx}. Once we have that selbri, and assuming > it has two arguments, we know how {nau} behaves as a connective. I see. Must {nau} and PU in {gi'e -tense- bo} always behave as a connective? In {mi do pu nelci gi'e nau bo prami}, why is {nau} seen as a connective while the two bridi are already logically connected by {gi'e}? mu'o mi'e vid