From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Apr 02 07:02:42 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jh3Y1-0000xo-MV for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:02:42 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jh3Xw-0000rn-Pl for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:02:41 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so2431378fga.0 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:02:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+2GyPVjjcRMURJkgjA7dDpBlUhEWIWH8C4vVIkXTmKw=; b=j4hNkspyiGPh39BPP5tXFWaiw0HXOQwa12aJBETjYNQvhf7RF0msQOo6aapQTCzxLZgodOlYV2L0PJOMJEz0wDg7frP+GZ+7f8LHKJxsWUWGsuhNOE3xcc7PlapG5Mz+Jnhm+wX8kNtBxnRUzy69Y0uQdKMaQMPqWKx81BOctJY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o2ZDo5X32b+fgUZTC7IyjSfIVl9UJG4zT2BQZ0ZWgBe5rxfifQjOMtUKRe1UMtoNouGQwbKtyuMpeBDLxzSDs9ZeiNOnu9dy+DCcal5hw7OudBJTaHgFEb1BMgfxdD9kJrhu8T5SNWXEIY7jc2lWh04kG9iRNkSyQ7jBSDI6Sy0= Received: by 10.86.79.19 with SMTP id c19mr6345057fgb.16.1207144950472; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.18 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560804020702w7d0a6291j9063639b01d3f897@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:02:30 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Newbie help please - music lyrics In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 438 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:24 AM, LakMeer Kravid wrote: > > I was reading about vlivla, and came up with a song inspired by jvijva > (defined as per the 'vlivla' node on the wiki). So here is draft one > of "le jvijva: The Rules of The Game": > (Warning: anti-religious themes, thats just me, no offense meant) > > le zgivo'a pe le fetcei cu > dunda lo nanmu le xarxei > .i a'onai go'i jvijva > > .e'unai .e'unai le jvijva > > le midvo'a pe le jdaka'i cu > dunda lo nanmu le xarxa'i > .i a'onai go'i jvijva > > .e'unai .e'unai le jvijva > > kajde ko jdatib > > If anyone could tell me what I've just written, I'll tell you what it > was *supposed* to say and we can work from there. It'd be a great help > both to my lojban and my songwriting. > Also apologies for spawning random lujvo. Its for rhythmic purposes. I won't attempt a translation, but here are some comments: 1- Notice the order of the arguments in {dunda}: x2 is the thing given, x3 is the receiver. It makes some sense in the first case: "gives men to the imaginary-hater" but not so much in the second case with the weapons. 2- Do you really want "man" as in {nanmu}, or as in {remna}? Being a religious theme I expect something more general, or at least I would want to know who are the women given to (or what are they given). 3- {lo xebni} is not hate but someone who hates, in case you mean it as the object given rather than the receiver of the gift. 4- You can use {le voksa be da} for someone's voice. {pe} is not wrong, but the resulting association is not as straightforward as when using the x2 of {voksa}. 5- {go'i jvijva} is a tanru, where {go'i} modifies {jvijva}. Not wrong, but perhaps you want {di'u jvijva}. 6- You need {doi jdatib} to mark the name as a vocative. The name by itself is ungrammatical there. mu'o mi'e xorxes