From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 04 07:34:50 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jhn0E-0004Jv-6N for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:34:50 -0700 Received: from phma.optus.nu ([166.82.175.165] helo=ixazon.dynip.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jhmzy-0004JU-Vo for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:34:49 -0700 Received: from chausie (chausie.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.4]) by ixazon.dynip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28FACE91F for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:27:32 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A few small questions Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:27:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200804040827.31017.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 458 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Friday 04 April 2008 01:18, LakMeer Kravid wrote: > coi rodo > > I have a few questions: > 1) how does one assert "No/zero [somethings] exist"? Do I need to make > a claim with {na zasti} or similar, or is there a way using numerals > that's a bit more lobykai? no kuatlu sicni cu zasti > 3) How badly would it screw with my grammar if I were to use a > one-syllable rafsi in the place of a gismu, for rhythmic purposes in > songwriting? It probably ceases to be parsable, but is it forgivable > under the banner of 'artistic license'? Depends on the rafsi. If it's a CVC rafsi, it looks like a name; if it's CVV, it can look like a cmavo, from any of several selma'o; if it's CCV, it'll get stuck to an adjacent word. I've repeated a syllable, and a whole line, in a song (it's repeated in the original French): ni'o le bi'u cmalu bloti ni'o le bi'u cmalu bloti ze'epu na na naku xe klama ze'epu na na naku xe klama .a'oi .a'oi ... la tumlyselselselsruri xamsi ... .i lei cidjadjadja cu se xaksu ... le tordu sas sas sastu'u lacpu ... It parses without the repetitions, but not with them. Pierre