From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 04 12:26:36 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JhrYa-0003ZD-Py for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:26:36 -0700 Received: from smtp2.mail.rice.edu ([128.42.206.129] helo=mh2.mail.rice.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JhrYS-0003YG-DD for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:26:36 -0700 Received: from mh2.mail.rice.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mh2.mail.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E861736D277 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:26:26 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-2.4.4 at mh2.mail.rice.edu Received: from mh2.mail.rice.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by mh2.mail.rice.edu (mh2.mail.rice.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aBh9AzSYCnRG for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:26:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Starlight (student-109-mar142-201.rice.edu [10.109.142.201]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mh2.mail.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AC836D131 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:26:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "Marjorie Scherf" To: References: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: rafsi instead of gismu in songs Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:24:08 -0500 Message-ID: <005501c89689$74754eb0$6c8e6d0a@Starlight> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01C8965F.8B9F46B0" In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AciWiFz/NmKsjSsDSguwlNGciO9bUQAABiHg X-Spam-Score: -2.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: -19 X-Spam-Bar: -- X-archive-position: 461 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mls1@rice.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C8965F.8B9F46B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the other hand, many songs are actually grammatically incorrect. One common manifestation of this is in repeating words or parts of words, e.g. "Mary had a little lamb, little lamb, little lamb". Having a grammatically-correct song that fits in the proper meter to use in the rhythm of the tune can be very difficult, and is often not done. Perhaps an interesting topic of discussion for the lojban list (i.e., not the beginners list) could be about how to more effectively use lojban in music or metered poetry-making it fit without loosing understandability. And that's not even considering the song lyrics specifically designed not to make sense. mu'omi'e skaryzgik. _____ From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Sent: Friday, 04 April, 2008 13:44 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] rafsi instead of gismu in songs In a message dated 4/4/2008 04:22:26 AM Central Daylight Time, ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes: From: "LakMeer Kravid" Subject: [lojban-beginners] A few small questions coi rodo I have a few questions: ..3) How badly would it screw with my grammar if I were to use a one-syllable rafsi in the place of a gismu, for rhythmic purposes in songwriting? It probably ceases to be parsable, but is it forgivable under the banner of 'artistic license'? It would totally confuse me. And it would definitely (not just probably) be unparseable, at least with the intended meaning. stevo ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C8965F.8B9F46B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On the other hand, many songs are = actually grammatically incorrect. One common manifestation of this is in = repeating words or parts of words, e.g. “Mary had a little lamb, little lamb, = little lamb”. Having a grammatically-correct song that fits in the proper meter to use = in the rhythm of the tune can be very difficult, and is often not done. Perhaps = an interesting topic of discussion for the lojban list (i.e., not the = beginners list) could be about how to more effectively use lojban in music or = metered poetry—making it fit without loosing = understandability.

 

And that’s not even = considering the song lyrics specifically designed not to make = sense.

 

mu'omi’e skaryzgik. =

 

From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org = [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of = MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com
Sent: Friday, 04 April, = 2008 13:44
To: = lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Subject: = [lojban-beginners] rafsi instead of gismu in songs

 

In a message dated 4/4/2008 04:22:26 AM Central = Daylight Time, ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes:



From: = "LakMeer Kravid" <lakmeerkravid@gmail.com>
Subject: [lojban-beginners] A few small questions

coi rodo
I have a few questions:
..3) How badly would it screw with my grammar if I were to use a
one-syllable rafsi in the place of a gismu, for rhythmic purposes in =
songwriting? It probably ceases to be parsable, but is it forgivable =
under the banner of 'artistic license'?



It would totally confuse me.  And it would definitely (not just = probably) be unparseable, at least with the intended meaning.  

stevo =

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