From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Apr 16 15:47:09 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JmGPF-0003LG-FD for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:47:09 -0700 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JmGPB-0003Kv-AE for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:47:09 -0700 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1321095ywm.46 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:46:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=XGEnfVOxIxinNtYoyAV+AHA6cABeZyMxs1mZ0Df+R0o=; b=wKwr3PmOWjWRPEx8qV6SQt1c+0/Y/Hoq8bCkYBY9dYZryVdMPNhnznBpDb2yl6Arx0Ad1jNAfkxZY2HjM9UtSp7qeDn2IIk9b9pK0jfEJgc+zepgTJ6+IFxThn0jgri4/qdpKujhRqtS9Lhf0HHqiSFpK8cQjnQ3IP9r+xJ+Lwo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; b=de46oS1h5StJtBDjm4Gw2QKcfeRfAH0vS8dPK6cNVC5Ta85DA84+p8S5nbFew+6Q/5WlYosTK5igfmj4GE967hrmeueP7Te4TiyAgPF3zsIc7svuyutwzsLB7guLjQCkZmj+nFn+BmHAerOlz8jNJDeToo8hRc8L/mcjwCfyWww= Received: by 10.150.134.7 with SMTP id h7mr824433ybd.226.1208386017135; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.197? ( [68.81.86.40]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i36sm37469874wxd.39.2008.04.16.15.46.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4E4C61ED-B8E9-4C61-AF38-69F0C31E7126@gmail.com> From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <1208384370.48067b72ae640@webmail.mail.rice.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: angry conversations Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:46:53 -0400 References: <702226df0804152051h2170775bq87c5e53cdbd70872@mail.gmail.com> <1208384370.48067b72ae640@webmail.mail.rice.edu> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 489 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Apr 16, 2008, at 6:19 PM, mls1@rice.edu wrote: > Supposing someone were rather irritated at someone else, and wanted > to say > something along the lines of {ko cliva gi'e gletu ko le'o}. If they > were more > irritated, they may want something a little faster to say. Would {ko > livgle ko} > carry a similar effect? What else might be stronger? Unless it were given a specific definition, "" would probably sound weird, as it would correspond to "copulate-of-type-leave," which could be interpreted as a number of other things besides what you had in mind. However, when people use the phrase that you're trying to translate, the "go" isn't really being used as a literal command to leave, and when it is, it's usually overshadowed by the other command. A better translation for the phrase might be "" -- "(imperative) copulate-of-type-self," which eliminates the need to fill the second place. If you want to keep the "," you can say "," followed by whatever angry attitudinals you want. mu'omi'e la'o gy. Minimiscience .gy.