From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Apr 16 17:52:19 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JmIMN-00069t-1C for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:52:19 -0700 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.152]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JmIMJ-00069Z-31 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:52:18 -0700 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1341212ywm.46 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:52:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=w+VPLCWuS6zAh8k/ywJ5b7ASEOhW/2s1hrbLipyjEuM=; b=ITLIY7hVUrrsnFYs+8OqJl8DHe3cAMGR3DAYtOeF4g/7xwb8ts85pJrr1CgdVvHkfA/5g4R/HmWpyK7Xjt3AUwZKsx3essU50W5EFZUyl//UVZ9ziMD3+we8D8Md6z0ew0rE3iVUeOWS7w1AI4EtZsz1qG0uEOaTVGWYbyfwaSs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=iFEd50Ghbgd7HoouGLGeZFsn94MtYa8kWJP1pRRXcp0V9vGPvGsP6PFF/nRsiH7PJB+tEfwUA389GAFImEsPCktkFtx422GgPFnOP46NZrjBUZwHH7htcCDMhOEuNg/karxu8sjJyDT4qebLFcdUCYCnf16IsaixSmm+qtsnZ4M= Received: by 10.150.12.5 with SMTP id 5mr986872ybl.39.1208393530968; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.197.6 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:52:10 -0400 From: "Brett Williams" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: angry conversations In-Reply-To: <1208384370.48067b72ae640@webmail.mail.rice.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7846_1677805.1208393530946" References: <702226df0804152051h2170775bq87c5e53cdbd70872@mail.gmail.com> <1208384370.48067b72ae640@webmail.mail.rice.edu> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 492 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mungojelly@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_7846_1677805.1208393530946 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 4/16/08, mls1@rice.edu wrote: > > Supposing someone were rather irritated at someone else, and wanted to say > something along the lines of {ko cliva gi'e gletu ko le'o}. If they were > more > irritated, they may want something a little faster to say. Would {ko > livgle ko} > carry a similar effect? What else might be stronger? > The most Lojbanic thing to say angrily at someone is "le'o", which means directly "I am speaking this to you angrily!" The word "le'o" appears in this short film by Timos and Cizra: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710885982433758647 Most of what I would actually say in Lojban if I were angry would be attitudinals. ".o'onai" means anger or frustration, so that's a good one. ".uinai" unhappiness. ".oi" pain, perhaps qualifying it to ".oiro'a" social pain or ".oiro'i" emotional pain. .o'onai le'o .uinai mabla .oi .uinai .oiro'i .i ko co'e cai le'o .uinai .o'onairo'o ".o'onairo'o"-- I feel angry on a physical level. That seems like something worth bellowing. mu'o mi'e .bret. ------=_Part_7846_1677805.1208393530946 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 4/16/08, mls1@rice.edu <mls1@rice.edu> wrote:
Supposing someone were rather irritated at someone else, and wanted to say
something along the lines of {ko cliva gi'e gletu ko le'o}. If they were more
irritated, they may want something a little faster to say. Would {ko livgle ko}
carry a similar effect? What else might be stronger?
 
The most Lojbanic thing to say angrily at someone is "le'o", which means directly "I am speaking this to you angrily!"  The word "le'o" appears in this short film by Timos and Cizra:
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710885982433758647
 
Most of what I would actually say in Lojban if I were angry would be attitudinals.  ".o'onai" means anger or frustration, so that's a good one.  ".uinai" unhappiness.  ".oi" pain, perhaps qualifying it to ".oiro'a" social pain or ".oiro'i" emotional pain.  
 
.o'onai le'o .uinai mabla .oi .uinai .oiro'i .i ko co'e cai le'o .uinai .o'onairo'o
 
".o'onairo'o"-- I feel angry on a physical level.  That seems like something worth bellowing.
 
mu'o mi'e .bret.

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