From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Apr 17 06:45:30 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JmUQc-0007P2-74 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:45:30 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JmUQU-0007Mr-Cq for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:45:30 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so57851fga.0 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:45:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+9QVt1Jb2DNG0TIZT4QktsOGc78ap72dyqP9p3zrMAA=; b=RKBLeUNG7ZLJELqAq8WK4DyqV+7g6HuxtSGj8he4wX+GIPYPf4npQcag4jyPW581RItqxpmm4EPNYNLpRtsWZYwYID+I229Nc0K6+gnEXqFUVU8ekEfrnd8aLMeSZTTN8GFKLHnG9xxfjjLOJwaTJwPfcOi32E6KSUy26r0zJOw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oisI4+jZ5tbfxuWSMfGBkZHP5aRdrNczYhFa4+7+wMAf+Faf/1j3ZYoMLbno5XoJrodrsYpS5UOrGhkGPljWxq8gtjAQ+sKzW2AduwSVdaB5Z+cbpniX+jGKUlcS2EnSrnnEmHYu0MuWeF05Z0Px2+OI5ucCYOr18WAEnrzClGM= Received: by 10.86.51.2 with SMTP id y2mr2780983fgy.15.1208439917943; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.18 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560804170645t7e805b1brac37289b60b1cab8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:45:17 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Experimental cmavo was: du'e preti In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <702226df0804152051h2170775bq87c5e53cdbd70872@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 500 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 4/16/08, Brett Williams wrote: > > "zo'oi", as xorxes said. "la'oi" and "zo'oi" are the only experimental > cmavo that are widely used and known these days. Hard to tell what is widely known, but if I had to guess, I'd say {ja'ai} has been the most successful. I have also used {xa'o} ("already") fairly often, and I find it quite useful. Also perhaps {mu'ei}. (I don't really like proposing new cmavo, but I have adopted at least those three proposed by others.) > There's a cmavo I've heard occasionally which is used to quote onomatopoeia, > does anyone remember that one? {ki'ai} (mnemonic: krixa) But it's meant for using onomatopoeia, not quoting them. > There's a wiki page with some old proposals: > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Currently+Proposed+Experimental+Cmavo&bl > None of those are active, to my knowledge. There's a lot of different stuff > about multiple worlds; must have been someone's trip sometime. :) I think {mu'ei} does have some usefulness: ro mu'ei: necessarily me'i mu'ei: not necessarily su'o mu'ei (=ka'e?): possibly no mu'ei: impossible mu'o mi'e xorxes