From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Apr 21 14:23:21 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jo3Ts-000431-UX for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:23:21 -0700 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jo3To-00040q-98 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:23:20 -0700 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1019030ywm.46 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:23:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=apDxuEc7WMl7NQXomso9hEZT35HxSxrGfp2YE+TKDYI=; b=FOzdHAh9+2sn8GbFG5EAIbDpRv0YOmzHEWMzpn6z5ReBSYcn/GBykdEeKOIuKWSZuceH1xe41nSQZd+c7gLg9CjoV6TvmoIKq3jmGCBYeFEjjkSbhaqJpKJpqSVbrt1qDrtDPD0YnFtxPTXb2H1OsrDhuGG6pBuDwBvO5/aWKsE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; b=dV7N1vH3Ufe/TvSgNX7L5Y7/HrAE5jeJMKAfd79t9BvPsRcQfF+wRHT1Ydnu/upNTObj7KQ7IdMfoyw5UeymuaPwPqreniHTELfzv0vpUDpHWPFERrnZzKZw5Dqk/npZV4Lm/lvoXT6kWLaKyGvv2hp9/dqM8ts5c4Sw4GnfbK0= Received: by 10.151.78.15 with SMTP id f15mr7599418ybl.187.1208812990377; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.197? ( [68.81.86.40]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m10sm789562rnd.11.2008.04.21.14.23.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <8F2B6180-9E5B-41E0-AAE9-1CF58B48C5D0@gmail.com> From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo zu'i Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:23:07 -0400 References: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 516 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Apr 21, 2008, at 3:50 PM, Brett Williams wrote: > Is "zu'i" the typical thing that fills its sumti place considered > across all situations, or in the particular context given? For > instance, does "mi citka zu'i" mean that I eat something which is > typical to be eaten in general, or something which is typical for me > to eat? The Lojban Reference Grammar, §7.7, says that it's the typical value for that place of the . Based on the example given involving a high rise during a fire, it seems to mean "typical across all situations," not per-context. mu'omi'e la'o gy. Minimiscience .gy.