From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Apr 22 09:01:41 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JoKw6-0004Bi-KJ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:01:41 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JoKuh-0003vY-K3 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:01:38 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so2003441fga.0 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:59:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=EHTcCq4Ql+g2Fqx0HWH4iqPZnXQ499Q0VEA/PtIWLQY=; b=uLnqciydK76S/CiTv/UPVV2eSJSo0Kp0jY9NzRolr16FlqANXKi/l2Dca+L16dq0qM+4a0fx2PLgZMoFsDmEooI61C4rlcL98s0lBVTB9JIF4xPFYYhfvOV1F0ThHPQTqOOLEhVW3F/Ra5efrmkdtsFpJqoceLjVYc+9w1dCkgo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o1Z9L3MDqDetYw5ptTn0m55ikp8exkUpkpm0U0Y7yQgm/WsMYBu/yXc29jGXykqFHCO+Ua+FeWhJa9CI0UN85yziwm6GAuUgn1cjV4hFqNl+DOF1hLCojiYjnDLMJub2KAtPYIEl42eKVVXl3NJf9YMxcvrvWAUNVDQdckAxmSg= Received: by 10.86.53.8 with SMTP id b8mr772887fga.67.1208879965978; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.18 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560804220859p6a74e3f3m6416373909e7d576@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:59:25 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: relative phrase within tanru In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0804220829t7733c6bcx3e99fc6be16640ac@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0804220829t7733c6bcx3e99fc6be16640ac@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 525 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 4/22/08, Vid Sintef wrote: > Can a relative phrase be grammatically inserted into a tanru (however > pointless it may be)? No, they can only modify a sumti or a vocative. > Example 1: > > le melbi ke pe do [ge'u] mlatu [ke'e] [ku] ; > > le melbi pe do [ge'u] bo mlatu [ku] > > > Example 2: > > le xamgu ke pe fi'e do [ge'u] cukta [ke'e] [ku] ; > > le xamgu pe fi'e do [ge'u] bo cukta [ku] Those are ungrammatical. Presumably the intended meanings would be: le melbi ke me do mlatu le melbi be do mlatu le xamgu cukta be fi'e do le xamgu be fi'e do cukta mu'o mi'e xorxes