From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 25 06:25:34 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JpNvi-0007qR-4t for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:25:34 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JpNvZ-0007pv-3C for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:25:34 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so3298943fga.0 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:25:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=NdgiTVvkWJVmTCQdpNnCasPZQiRFKyKcdmdscZoD9AM=; b=e1u1V6O4f70qTgIxbO8/Gxwy3GaRZQ6ybIMl9TNlIyeR3V7MsikNJd0g/t1utpCFgTNzZzaeGa7/sUM4zR1gc6/odCZBhJzf4jyMK8mIJ58igkyoT6P4GaI/xFnk0/Svhq4eYLa+zwhJdXzA3GNL/UIAojLNaXXZ4kq47OF5aA8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CDA/TmfMkNXGNMrLW+OAq70We2VkcociDmmJrrXC7QVuftNBEBUffgIP54M6NuR4KJIyhsx4jLGm68mJ/yOlrx+Mug4LZzy9tBrpgjG8sKeV+qyz9kPe6AizXufm9fz+XCkFXLzy7tBWpBvFR89PhwHfOFKca0WSRK/QOFiDeUk= Received: by 10.86.96.18 with SMTP id t18mr1263143fgb.13.1209129923238; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.18 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560804250625r63f61e07m55670c3b2f50b8d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:25:23 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: omitting zo'e in a compound bridi In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0804250603t51e88e9bi4eca38ae070aaf3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0804250419y6524bfbcu15b4d9d052e9c9db@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560804250537x55568a8r183b878039ec5885@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0804250603t51e88e9bi4eca38ae070aaf3@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 541 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 4/25/08, Vid Sintef wrote: > > I see. {ke} cannot override {gi'e}, {ke} can be used with {gi'e}, but only after the first connectand: terms (bridi-tail) gi'e ke (bridi-tail) gi'a (bridi-tail) [ke'e] But you can't have a SE in front of that {ke}, because it doesn't group just a tanru, it groups a whole bridi-tail. >therefore {te} is needed for both > {dunda} and {lebna} to have {do} as their mutual x3: > > do te dunda le cukta [ku] [vau] gi'e te lebna zo'e [ku] [vau] vau mi (one [vau] is misplaced, and no {ku} after {zo'e}, it should be: do te dunda le cukta [ku] [vau] gi'e te lebna zo'e vau mi [vau] ) > Now, is this {zo'e} elidable? No, without {zo'e} it expands to: do te dunda le cukta mi .ije do te lebna mi But you could use {fi mi} and that would put {mi} in the x3 of both {te dunda} and {te lebna}. Then you can leave {zo'e} out. mu'o mi'e xorxes