From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Apr 26 20:30:04 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JpxaW-0007L3-DB for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:30:04 -0700 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.175]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JpxaM-0007F5-Fg for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:30:04 -0700 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so3607274wfa.25 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:29:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=cjq7BJ6RIhTK1f4WeGuP4cVR4h1jNyky/c2QA6qo/Ms=; b=EypPoAeh/YaEdgz1NXVBBfO69jh4tkengRPcA1nzvrqw8bXmLFCpzsdTZ0I1NTH9sqm9Q43AVm7dfclKYGvWzPzjDUsThFbEWhXXn0E6qhLR6cZEPIzPR2VNysbe7DZT7BceQTI1md014MqnM9SVBXKO7TztG+y5JZJKQrc505M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=BkEQvuuf0QpZkEkWbIuv6peVzhB+VumN7nERT8N8G2k38r7EJyM1OkZpXMH2bRWbNZvHDCfEbvWAElahDHQG4/ZEu+lgoEa1Oi0tcbk2D3IoZm21Hx4r6J+MOJ33Asmu8Lecy4j+cV+6tjQK7tvFXihRR4i/9cvUJOUThqG3h+g= Received: by 10.142.242.8 with SMTP id p8mr1447009wfh.196.1209266988484; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.52.5 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160804262029k6d6b519fq311c34fd25d85b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:29:48 -0400 From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: titles In-Reply-To: <200804262224.07855.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2286_1883224.1209266988473" References: <2f91285f0804220829t7733c6bcx3e99fc6be16640ac@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560804221200v740a7a12y211de7a80899ea15@mail.gmail.com> <1209259275.4813d50bd574d@webmail.mail.rice.edu> <200804262224.07855.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f295eef4d9af8a81 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 546 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_2286_1883224.1209266988473 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday 26 April 2008 21:21, mls1@rice.edu wrote: > > So if a person has a title like "King" or "Princess" or "Pope", what is > the > > proper grammatical way to use it with the name? i.e, how does one say > > something like "King James" or "Princess Jasmine"? > > I would make it part of the name: {la nolturn.djeimyz. e la > noltrutix.iasmin}. > You could also say {la djeimyz. poi nolraitru}, especially if you want to > say "King James of England", {la djeimyz. poi nolraitru la gligug}, or the > like. > > [...] > > T: no'ini'o I use the same format for names of rivers and such: {la > misisipis. > rirx}, {la lelx.mitcigan}, {la cman.tcomolynmas} (sp?), etc. [...] {la djeimyz. poi nolraitru} {la poi nolraitru [ku'o] djeimyz.} {la poi rirxe [ku'o] misysipis} I can't see such titles/descriptors as part of the name, myself. Titles can be tricky. The Prince of Monaco is its sovereign, hence {lo nolraitru be la monakos.} is appropriate & {nolraitrube'a} and {nolrainanla} are inappropriate. I have used {jatnrpapa} for 'Pope'. mu'o mi'e komfn. ------=_Part_2286_1883224.1209266988473 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Saturday 26 April 2008 21:21, mls1@rice.edu wrote:
> So if a person has a title like "King" or "Princess" or "Pope", what is the
> proper grammatical way to use it with the name? i.e, how does one say
> something like "King James" or "Princess Jasmine"?

I would make it part of the name: {la nolturn.djeimyz. e la noltrutix.iasmin}.
You could also say {la djeimyz. poi nolraitru}, especially if you want to
say "King James of England", {la djeimyz. poi nolraitru la gligug}, or the
like.

[...]

T: no'ini'o I use the same format for names of rivers and such: {la misisipis.
rirx}, {la lelx.mitcigan}, {la cman.tcomolynmas} (sp?), etc. [...]

{la djeimyz. poi nolraitru} {la poi nolraitru [ku'o] djeimyz.}
{la poi rirxe [ku'o] misysipis}
I can't see such titles/descriptors as part of the name, myself.

Titles can be tricky. The Prince of Monaco is its sovereign, hence {lo nolraitru be la monakos.} is appropriate & {nolraitrube'a} and {nolrainanla} are inappropriate.

I have used {jatnrpapa} for 'Pope'.

mu'o mi'e komfn.

------=_Part_2286_1883224.1209266988473--