From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 21 10:36:00 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 21 May 2008 10:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JysEK-0001q1-DL for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:36:00 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.159]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JysEE-0001pi-VB for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:36:00 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so2459236fga.0 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:35:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=gGsW0XjrOZF6eKFTp6npSSzOSlhnEeHT6TdtSsO6fUk=; b=X8nXbn3qVuGtBI3EF6oryK6qG5vcpwNV2KOS5TebZCNxAn3JEVcT6UV1gV534TyODbagDysy4GdQjVH2vWRmLiGy8je8Xv79WhH7qcK05ZPJv9WrmAvJOE8ybkalFo6mMUln0gScnB2iPJstfX6C5do/dbqfglkijlaXbWuwdPY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Wsn8kYmDw5AFjOz1sf7+xK0RJhtT4ujH6hOniUv3bS8tFxKK9E5rUPeexXm5soDWxkRvUSxg27vvDwRlDkQifrPrtB6jINhwa710IetrbYcSnuBQeMntiWAybh9HhapYGaNTfiFT/bHp21E8XfVySOQdAhdnXDOTPFyHx0Y9P4E= Received: by 10.125.71.15 with SMTP id y15mr8306136mkk.82.1211391346141; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.18 with HTTP; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560805211035h613be784ne2e43650eee538be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:35:46 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: plipe In-Reply-To: <12d58c160805210909n44c2062eve2abef2d3b02a1e5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <540264.41911.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <12d58c160805210838k68d7cf0ao88f524936472c4c3@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560805210844k7cc7285ar7ac365ba906dc470@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160805210909n44c2062eve2abef2d3b02a1e5@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 570 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 5/21/08, komfo,amonan wrote: > > pe'i {ze'o} and {zo'i} are oddly defined. There seems to be motion in > the definitions, which makes one wonder what happens when they get a > {mo'i} tacked on. "outward" and "inward" are keywords in the ma'oste, not the definitions. The full definitions are: ze'o: beyond/outward/receding from zo'i: nearer than.../inward/approaching from ... The mixing of direction and location is typical of the wording for all FAhAs, for example: ne'i: within/inside of/into ... ni'a: downwards/down from ... As I understand it, zo'i, zo'a, ze'o form a subsystem: this-side-of ..., by ..., beyond ... My proposed definitions in jbovlaste are: ze'o: fi'o se ragve zo'a: fi'o se noryragve zo'i: fi'o se tolragve > Also, there seems to be no FAhA for "outside" > (opposite of {ne'i}); {ze'o} could be coopted for that. I prefer {ne'inai} for that. mu'o mi'e xorxes