From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 26 05:27:41 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 26 May 2008 05:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0bnf-0000hu-FZ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 05:27:41 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.233]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0bnV-0000gu-US for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 05:27:39 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so868887wra.1 for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 05:27:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=nn7dV0DFXEJ3L5F08A+MAUhX90+RXg3H8zziKeW+K8w=; b=L3c6r0WzYkD1H/no+JfiAvv+M9nK70SW0aJPTxVkOtpuEQ168bLgyaqtnrkgFEqmr/ZKw4U9hECeC5QihXpFeDWYT8kgSbg0U2aW4eT1xzwWuHPgJ7Z27Wf9/PcoCRsp+ex/v8J+WmpWTeM2kNzpIbtnT1LRVxvO39HTryuJJNo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NvCsf1KbpTlfBmq00DJr6wuIHsAsgdiZQ4UKhY65sBZmsSWCPUvMouar/a6jgAntcY2RDJxf89gFttD8k0QaX2PuHNY0CphSfm7TGk16VmQQ8pj8DP2Semyw76yH3BHzF8r5T5Ic7/6I0aNUUk+ox3+2TL8wBOAApYFT7Niypn8= Received: by 10.114.153.18 with SMTP id a18mr5435102wae.127.1211804841317; Mon, 26 May 2008 05:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.136.19 with HTTP; Mon, 26 May 2008 05:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0805260527l1c4c47bekff4e5a7dce470ec2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:27:21 +0200 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Yitzik asks his first questions In-Reply-To: <200805260710.33691.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <119C0B344EF0448ABD8F47C56483A7E5@Cohen2> <200805260710.33691.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 587 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday 26 May 2008 04:50, I.Penzev wrote: >> I'd like also to know cliches for such structures as >> - 'I've got a new car'/'I've got a wife and two children'; > > mi ponse lo cnino karce .i mi se fetspe gi'e se panzi reda > The car is citno if it was just made; it's cnino if you just got it. If the latter is the case, i.e. if the newness is of the relation between {mi} & {lo karce}, {mi cnino ponse lo karce} would make more sense to me. mu'o mi'e tijlan