From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 26 10:00:33 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 26 May 2008 10:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0g3l-00006X-Ff for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 10:00:33 -0700 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.198.240]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0g3c-000061-Uc for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 10:00:33 -0700 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b17so1974179rvf.46 for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 10:00:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9Jf0wtp4GMQzB5QGaUCANPinzbJPNTtD9sFodydkC80=; b=WZK1/YMNolQpmfIFs92mhpSVD5N/7oIKheq5YKTynmIocSskuZ6NQW4im/eZWHUlyDub7L7p6hHUN3BkiLAiWdCH5r+P66pYVbWB6D2/hk80nRuFSg8yK60AKGlBdn4p7JYyDQh1P88Bz+WoHS5LQk5ME8IPotzQLM4Qdtph4pQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p3pLFpfbyKSCLDt8anPq1MbNdZ9poWJmTr86sRU3DkPJB/arDPtwqABNBQ2HIq1if8/6R3LVCop1rAExBzGR+cZHyToEtpO0XgI532kFU/YRIRYNyEtsUznpB1u/WXVaFBg7GHvsKK22lY7fyhD2sdOw80/zx09eaMQzmn0NOTs= Received: by 10.141.79.12 with SMTP id g12mr99627rvl.126.1211821223644; Mon, 26 May 2008 10:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.162.14 with HTTP; Mon, 26 May 2008 10:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <96f789a60805261000s5baf9854wac28a80308b3c204@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 13:00:23 -0400 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Timo answers Yitziks first questions :) In-Reply-To: <2f91285f0805260550o8cf00c3ocd7f33cd20217ec5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <119C0B344EF0448ABD8F47C56483A7E5@Cohen2> <483A9D7C.2080608@perpetuum-immobile.de> <2f91285f0805260550o8cf00c3ocd7f33cd20217ec5@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 593 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Vid Sintef wrote: > On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Timo Paulssen > wrote: >> I.Penzev wrote: > >>> - 'There is a book on the table'; >> >> {lo cukta cu cpana lo jubme} > > For this one I would prefer Pierre's {da cukta ga'u le jubme}. I feel > the focus isn't on the event of "a book being on the surface of the > table" but rather of "something being a book on the table". {da cukta > ga'u le jubme} has also fewer brivla than {lo cukta cu cpana lo > jubme}, which I believe gives rise to more readability. And I would go even another step -- Any construction of "There is..." in English, "Hace/hay" in Spanish, etc. is a lojban observative. I would have just said "cukta bu'u le jubme" --gejyspa