From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 26 10:50:08 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 26 May 2008 10:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0gpj-0004xk-NM for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 10:50:08 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0gpe-0004w8-Tq for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 10:50:07 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o29so256530ugd.28 for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 10:49:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=AAJ7Rp8IvBqZmvNPeaL0Y9R5OhESMRoUZMMUt5JKFZM=; b=DCPwlOOIj/gnQ1YzUV/yLSru4ZinkB+2ub3CiBBopwzXNukRkzlKdfJhe7Z8p2/QopTfvAYSrzpClgUrkqxU2zqd6A/p1kWzOGH0jg1abAvG5uSgFHrz+A0IsWPsYkUl9uZSQfeNV3IwnCsb0xyO6ubS/80jH+ivRilrvQN3pOc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kNSyHRMIznWJ8hZ4lYMuFRvQQBCKBJ39BFtkb0MGn3XKwUc4O3BvZzfe+0BbD/lmN7VDI7iVsmeszjrM6TbAQJH1WaNyi/41tXFlQ2W2gkox1oTAaoHCLnYqi212D9Q/aEj8rLGjSFumDq5d+4LiyVqR5bAQFk08zNLJMDKB6BY= Received: by 10.114.148.1 with SMTP id v1mr259665wad.199.1211824194600; Mon, 26 May 2008 10:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.136.19 with HTTP; Mon, 26 May 2008 10:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0805261049s3bd82bd8x9e55d00e4a47ad92@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 19:49:54 +0200 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Agriculture and fisheries In-Reply-To: <96f789a60805261006k26a9326l31c094175a3c3231@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <37890.93561.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <96f789a60805261006k26a9326l31c094175a3c3231@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 597 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 9:38 AM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > >> >> The problem I have with {se girzu} is that I don't understand the English >> definition. What on Earth does '...showing common property (ka) x2...' >> mean? >> > > It means what makes them a group? What do they have in common? tu > girzu lo ka vofli cipni -- "That's a flock of flying birds" ("that is > a group which share a property of being flying birds") > > (I have more of a problem with the X3 and 4 part, myself. > > --gejyspa Take a football team as an example: x1 (the group): Manchester United F.C. x2 (the common property): playing football, the team colours/uniforms x3 (the set): Premier League, UEFA Champions League, World Club Championship x4 (the relation): the grounds/stadiums (e.g. Old Trafford), the sponsorships (e.g. Nike) The logo can be either x2 (as on every member's uniform) or x4 (as a design). mu'o mi'e tijlan