From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 28 13:36:04 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 28 May 2008 13:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K1SNP-0005QZ-Tr for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 28 May 2008 13:36:04 -0700 Received: from web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.188]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K1SNL-0005QL-GV for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 28 May 2008 13:36:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 19285 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2008 20:35:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Yv8Zc8ko/gMiiYmSy7YNLKXUyKbfWBKkxrX+/gc2O/SUTzIsMxc0sNEcPNOCSIJAO7GZHT2u9gz93h5QuwM6bXzogopHQgH9dHpI8QqLmWQWaq64y/OdQgP6fGQ+H+cZv8/Hx81mVb623yK35Rm347QpInJIWCKx163SQQjV3xg=; X-YMail-OSG: _ADQAyQVM1kJPAAVoQEgvKMIXhGf_jEHyJ.o5R00BZF9nMJHenOvFovFYBKRrryJIoFzuBNeQS8XDJ49cpbDiBx_rtezfbiWble87uRZnl8imXSm1lmJ2mjEZE8- Received: from [99.229.22.193] by web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 May 2008 13:35:52 PDT Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:35:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "What is Lojban" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-750047331-1212006952=:18518" Message-ID: <133911.18518.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 611 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --0-750047331-1212006952=:18518 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "komfo,amonan" =0ATo: lojban-beginners@lojban.org=0ASent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 = 11:37:20 AM=0ASubject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "What is Lojban"=0A=0AOn Wed,= May 28, 2008 at 11:12 AM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote:=0A=0ACan = anybody help unravel the confusion surrounding "What is Lojban"=0AWe appear= to have two different texts under this name.=A0 The first is=0Aa course au= thored by Bob Le Chevalier which can be found at=0Ahttp://www.lojban.org/no= /publications/draft-textbook/lesson01.=0AThis does not seem to be finished,= but is superb nonetheless.=0AThere are in-depth explantions for just about= everything, but written in=0Aa way that anybody can understand.=A0 The exc= ercises are great too!=0AQuestion: Why wasn't it completed and why is there= no reference to=0Ait in the Lojban for Beginners section of the Lojban web= site:=0Ahttp://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DLojban+For+Beginne= rs&bl=A0?=0AThe "What is Lojban" referred to on the above web page is somet= hing quite=0Adifferent. This is an introductory booklet written by Nick Nic= olas and James Cowan,=0Acertainly not a course.=0AQuestion: Why was it give= n the same title?=0A=0AIn brief, that first link is to a text called *not* = "What is Lojban?", but rather to the "[Old] Draft Textbook". http://www.loj= ban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DOld+Draft+Textbook&highlight=3Ddraft%20t= extbook=0A=A0"What is Lojban?" looks like the title of the opening section.= =0AOK, but that still leaves open the question: why wasn't it completed and= =0Anot made obviously available to learners?=0Amu'o=A0 mi'e .andrus.=A0 --0-750047331-1212006952=:18518 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

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From: "komfo,amonan" <komfoamonan@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:37:20 AM
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "What is Lojban"

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:12 AM, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:

Can anybody help unravel the confusion surrounding "What is Lojban"
We appear to have two different texts under this name. The first is
a course authored by Bob Le Chevalier which can be found at
http://www.lojban.org/no/publications/draft-textbook/lesson01.
This does not seem to be finished, but is superb nonetheless.
There are in-depth explantions for just about everything, but written in
a way that anybody can understand. The excercises are great too!
Question: Why wasn't it completed and why is there no reference to
it in the Lojban for Beginners section of the Lojban website:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Lojban+For+Beginners&bl ?
The "What is Lojban" referred to on the above web page is something quite
different. This is an introductory booklet written by Nick Nicolas and James Cowan,
certainly not a course.
Question: Why was it given the same title?

In brief, that first link is to a text called *not* "What is Lojban?", but rather to the "[Old] Draft Textbook". http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Old+Draft+Textbook&highlight=draft%20textbook
"What is Lojban?" looks like the title of the opening section.

OK, but that still leaves open the question: why wasn't it completed and

not made obviously available to learners?

mu'o mi'e .andrus.

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