From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed May 28 14:05:33 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 28 May 2008 14:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K1Spx-000311-3S for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 28 May 2008 14:05:33 -0700 Received: from el-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.162.178]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K1Sps-00030J-I5 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 28 May 2008 14:05:32 -0700 Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id s27so1377001ele.1 for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 14:05:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=dBYnY+ZcF0A1gvknnCOkXz9TrvhvJ64QikLx6VYfmF4=; b=oQMa4j+CDNXva3Xv0K/T6kPEqji6mpuOAjmhjdjMUvHMQaUXbyHlyg/MWBQ8JkZGJjdQhhdoQ8qt3QybbQ5KgXe0kFNWUSmWdX0v6nBv78Tpc/UoweCkJjLd11FhCo7SBU/G//qNJsm9E03uI3pEfUKfbegkzij81j1vD/Q7drQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=cK83FrrRh3koVhtAlfdXsjHUhy/ds3Rl4eozhEodpm3AXmwkb+nl6JoiNOOBf+h8ThVyJgXrQnMBwWOWCoe19d1olgnyqZ1iyx1wBMDJFQ0jcoW9TJEMMRieEmtanuJu3TSAf7m9EG0f/4ZM15WNM+8dK612pvMUOx5Yb0sAcLc= Received: by 10.142.12.14 with SMTP id 14mr1221341wfl.336.1212008725602; Wed, 28 May 2008 14:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.50.4 with HTTP; Wed, 28 May 2008 14:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <12d58c160805281405y7df5657fs35a0815f722e501e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:05:25 -0400 From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "What is Lojban" In-Reply-To: <133911.18518.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10097_23073347.1212008725591" References: <133911.18518.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 110f8c4ef899dfca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 612 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_10097_23073347.1212008725591 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:35 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "komfo,amonan" > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:37:20 AM > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "What is Lojban" > > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:12 AM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > >> Can anybody help unravel the confusion surrounding "What is Lojban" >> We appear to have two different texts under this name. The first is >> a course authored by Bob Le Chevalier which can be found at >> http://www.lojban.org/no/publications/draft-textbook/lesson01. >> This does not seem to be finished, but is superb nonetheless. >> There are in-depth explantions for just about everything, but written in >> a way that anybody can understand. The excercises are great too! >> Question: Why wasn't it completed and why is there no reference to >> it in the Lojban for Beginners section of the Lojban website: >> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Lojban+For+Beginners&bl ? >> The "What is Lojban" referred to on the above web page is something quite >> different. This is an introductory booklet written by Nick Nicolas and >> James Cowan, >> certainly not a course. >> Question: Why was it given the same title? > > > In brief, that first link is to a text called *not* "What is Lojban?", but > rather to the "[Old] Draft Textbook". > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Old+Draft+Textbook&highlight=draft%20textbook > "What is Lojban?" looks like the title of the opening section. > > OK, but that still leaves open the question: why wasn't it completed and > not made obviously available to learners? > >From the link: "This is a *very* rough draft and contains many omissions and typesetting deficiencies." I would guess this is the answer to the second part of the question. (Can't speak to the first part.) mu'o mi'e komfn. ------=_Part_10097_23073347.1212008725591 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:35 PM, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:
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From: "komfo,amonan" <komfoamonan@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:37:20 AM
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "What is Lojban"

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:12 AM, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:
Can anybody help unravel the confusion surrounding "What is Lojban"
We appear to have two different texts under this name.  The first is
a course authored by Bob Le Chevalier which can be found at
http://www.lojban.org/no/publications/draft-textbook/lesson01.
This does not seem to be finished, but is superb nonetheless.
There are in-depth explantions for just about everything, but written in
a way that anybody can understand.  The excercises are great too!
Question: Why wasn't it completed and why is there no reference to
it in the Lojban for Beginners section of the Lojban website:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Lojban+For+Beginners&bl ?
The "What is Lojban" referred to on the above web page is something quite
different. This is an introductory booklet written by Nick Nicolas and James Cowan,
certainly not a course.
Question: Why was it given the same title?

In brief, that first link is to a text called *not* "What is Lojban?", but rather to the "[Old] Draft Textbook". http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Old+Draft+Textbook&highlight=draft%20textbook
 "What is Lojban?" looks like the title of the opening section.
 
OK, but that still leaves open the question: why wasn't it completed and
not made obviously available to learners?

From the link: "This is a very rough draft and contains many omissions and typesetting deficiencies." I would guess this is the answer to the second part of the question. (Can't speak to the first part.) mu'o mi'e komfn.

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