From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat May 31 09:30:07 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 31 May 2008 09:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K2Ty3-00015X-9U for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:30:07 -0700 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.176]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K2Txy-0000zW-Dc for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:30:06 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b50so213365pyh.30 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:30:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=6trqyy2uOImuYa5Lfn+gopwtmO2OV2IKbmR1fRZBlxI=; b=m1APCyh/paV8YNILFAmkdn3rUCYahGDL/6jmdfbEBZgA7csttvM2T5JJFRaNvxXCOwr+KULSJgfHkyHORLzpgoAD9U9u3w2Y9mIn7heBmV4YMcGsDKPI+KLbC94mqrz4f90hXPIX8A+qmAImkz9lyqID6Ujhub/JdWw/74E3mvI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MPRnUspmNjkIxt6EY1/slVNWAn8Yr+xtmYV2D2KDn8GRXJJJsyJjwyV0S8h6ahrofbxG4SGNGz3ZlDpQH3XFioGLwtYl0ilCdNra8HOc2u2GZytNvRlgjifdXgSYUXhJH6UemB5Pco55sHwHZ+AKCF9+BB0cNmd7Erkk/2y60Vk= Received: by 10.114.182.15 with SMTP id e15mr7718827waf.84.1212251400467; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.94.16 with HTTP; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0805310930i6bc3744axf656ccc3a599214a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 18:30:00 +0200 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Fwd: the gismu typos In-Reply-To: <12d58c160805300858r60f0659ase172a2f1106e0916@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0805300810i2f7fb929oe927c5434d9b7f93@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160805300852m2f922402n556158970101b80e@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160805300858r60f0659ase172a2f1106e0916@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 623 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:58 PM, komfo,amonan wrote: > What you lose by doing that is decreased readability/usability of Lojban > texts written previous to the change. You would, for example, have to search > on both variants to research usage examples. I think of its analogy to the British vs American English. > Also, it would wreak havoc with > the rafsi (sku and dzu at least would have to go). Yes, some would. > But really {spotu} is not a better word than {spofu} -- it's not "jbomau", it's not easier to > learn, it doesn't sound better. What do you mean by "jbomau"? Why should {spofu} be *more Lojbanic* than {spotu}? Is "color" more English than "colour"? The etymology says it has two source words with "t" (tut & rot), and none with "f". So, how is {spofu} easier to learn than {spotu} from the perspective of the source languages' speakers? And why should the former even sound better? > Also, strict adherence to the gismu > construction principles are rendered questionable by the fact that language > community sizes have *very* wide error bars. > > mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan But we are a community of a *constructed* language after all. mu'o mi'e tijlan