From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jun 29 08:16:21 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCydY-00012r-S6 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:16:21 -0700 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.172]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCydT-00012b-8y for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:16:20 -0700 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1256457wfg.25 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:16:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9IdM88AoFcvHaaBSXiYr5iR9pHzVBdFbNQkhqb75L4w=; b=CS6UyDfrzc8PVkTBVOET6z7cibt2CBxMJT8NVP4iiilzYiTGuJlWO+cVp9eGcnirQ+ h0KgL8ZwKHkBPAUkDCfEAZgjM0mUZjp8txEhS10I2ojWzz1KEekbH/aM8vDGMpjKZ0tn 8UfCxHZ2dEMF0y4FliPRJuvjKcn+2Hh5AyuaI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=nupm48mQIPBhpzEanAN98XuUK5RgEPULTty9g6UhhiSFFqTU9+Q5rBFhndDsUBiJmn ocjea35iBjlsJMDsI/6Ngq5NK9RPCUjKb2g8z3pYDwb/j8r/NX/CzQz3J/z/OA5jW1qd m7pk3FvS7ShToHX5fJa5jcbgUaRgvqexPaL6c= Received: by 10.142.223.20 with SMTP id v20mr1423852wfg.152.1214752573758; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.50.21 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30806290816t5663ce55s341e7eb9f3762986@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:16:13 -0500 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: tanru order In-Reply-To: <925d17560806290645l23118bbeyaa71d7dfa0b13bdb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30806281910q2e8c38e1x1efdd2b8e4ef87ab@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560806290645l23118bbeyaa71d7dfa0b13bdb@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 659 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Chris Capel wrote: >> When you have things like {vajni mutce} and {manku mulno}, you're >> usually going to want to reverse those, right? > > Why? They would be something like {mutce be lo ka vajni} and > {mulno be lo ka manku}. The expansion for the other order is > perhaps also possible, but more compicated. I'm not sure I was clear here. I simply meant to ask whether {mutce vajni} and {mulno manku} would usually be the better order. >> iseja'ebo na _vajni mutce_ fa le du'u porsi makau ki'u le nu abu ka'e >> spuda no le re preti > >> But I think the first, since the x1 is >> filled, is actually incorrect, since the fact is ke not important >> ke'e, not ke not extreme ke'e. > > Its "not (extreme in importance)", isn't it? Yes, where the "importance" is the main concept, and thus belongs in the tertau. Can't {mutce vajni} naturally mean "extreme in importance" in context? Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet)