From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jun 29 08:23:26 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCykP-0001Om-J0 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:23:26 -0700 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.168]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCykK-0001OP-7Q for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:23:25 -0700 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1258329wfg.25 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:23:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=2INEmfYsyo0HIolHjZqFk+Pmwzipmuqcu/dQc9vDbc0=; b=sJdAQDk9ICU7EMPkclVdlSGrqr4eCxBOcR3O2QvN6L0pEsnoMXZ4yk/oZ4mlCvFws7 g9a/Jhj3Xixk4n3hrpPzOKt+FoIBeu9StfYwY7XNTFFQ3BBItEfIUSr4AF6kQF6aS95h Aah+0KylrzjabTiaw7t5dmTvBz8k2MACp97so= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=BJiybRbhlngXLVJpFImWYw1Wo9r6Az9Ky/9/sm7Foio3Aj5LAK+XsYfFd+NNK8/dRO cfK/k3C6u8SifO5GNZM8CnuBbb5xZnFVCJNrCIZTQABiK/Mf7PhQeZn7i6EUEU4D8x0w U4G5hTJROA/geyuylnzBfm6CB5GCP7jP0DwHo= Received: by 10.143.159.9 with SMTP id l9mr1426959wfo.100.1214752999558; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.50.21 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30806290823v7d7a425cx4d4ce779d1988e47@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:23:19 -0500 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: gusni In-Reply-To: <925d17560806290658j1080fdfer4f36f1914d7d00ad@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30806281941u76166d1fka128ea064874c681@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560806290658j1080fdfer4f36f1914d7d00ad@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 660 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Chris Capel wrote: >> i abu facki le du'u abu zvati lo clani je dziseldru kumfa noi se gusni >> fi lo se linji noi dandu le drudi >> >> I'm having a hard time understanding how *exactly* this works out. >> When I read this I find myself asking "a line of what"? But of course, >> the x2 place of linji is attached to the x1 of gusni, so that's >> already, at least partly, established. > > {lo se linji} is "things in line". Yes? >> I'm wanting to change this, I think, to {noi se gusni fi lo linji be >> loi gusni be'o noi dandu le drudi}, > > {loi te gusni}, right? Not a line of lights but of sources of light. Yes, right. > But that doesn't seem to add anything. Well, that's what I'm trying to get at. It seems a bit redundant when you actually put it in there, but without it, to me, the sentence seems a bit vague. "which is lit by things making up a line hanging from the ceiling". What things? We can infer that they're some sort of light source, but it's odd to need to infer that. Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet)