From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jun 29 08:45:29 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCz5k-0002k4-88 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:45:28 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KCz5d-0002jg-7b for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:45:28 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so551718fga.0 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:45:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=rsuzmaosLwJLDpKoy/9Y58TpPf5QIDo47BUm7E3x/eM=; b=qIHAXca8M3SNCMX1SwtBE8zeGClpq8Wbm84NEgTJXdqaI0B9xBmbb4CRNWUEzEOW9n wa/VulAY71v8NtnOJVA0XKdUR/iQYnXC2ccutaIcL0uI7nqnPabuuXDVi2R0CbYwAYMS S3rXoiAAr/wsdFGybYtQJCp3ODbzc7pm0OqjY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=A4wj96zmdpBj81A1kBz6WTpNk2IrZm7ZV/FDNszSKfqp0p1TS3T0Qkliq4gHYvQbEB NvXQ1mtdBCkiDdu/16iQHNXwwh2qXTSQtJhEur1ECG4NI0XARwwjGoL2u33d1tWekS+M z02RUlziWiPTTwMDbVlY52KJNwLfOP8h3xDsg= Received: by 10.86.36.11 with SMTP id j11mr4941932fgj.7.1214754319128; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.89.11 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560806290845n1b2a591vfa042cb4bb7a5f7a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:45:19 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: tanru order In-Reply-To: <737b61f30806290816t5663ce55s341e7eb9f3762986@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <737b61f30806281910q2e8c38e1x1efdd2b8e4ef87ab@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560806290645l23118bbeyaa71d7dfa0b13bdb@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30806290816t5663ce55s341e7eb9f3762986@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 661 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Chris Capel wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Jorge Llambías wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Chris Capel wrote: >>> When you have things like {vajni mutce} and {manku mulno}, you're >>> usually going to want to reverse those, right? >> >> Why? They would be something like {mutce be lo ka vajni} and >> {mulno be lo ka manku}. The expansion for the other order is >> perhaps also possible, but more compicated. > > I'm not sure I was clear here. I simply meant to ask whether {mutce > vajni} and {mulno manku} would usually be the better order. Yes, that's how I understood the question. Why would that be the better order, given that it requires a more complex interpretation? >>> iseja'ebo na _vajni mutce_ fa le du'u porsi makau ki'u le nu abu ka'e >>> spuda no le re preti >> >>> But I think the first, since the x1 is >>> filled, is actually incorrect, since the fact is ke not important >>> ke'e, not ke not extreme ke'e. >> >> Its "not (extreme in importance)", isn't it? > > Yes, where the "importance" is the main concept, and thus belongs in > the tertau. Can't {mutce vajni} naturally mean "extreme in importance" > in context? What if it was "lacking in importance"? What is the main concept there, and would that be better as {vajni claxu} or as {claxu vajni}? mu'o mi'e xorxes