From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jul 04 20:00:33 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KEy0n-0002w3-DY for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:00:33 -0700 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.168]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KEy0X-0002tQ-Gu for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:00:33 -0700 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1480063wfg.25 for ; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:00:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=uZDnpeFMyJf7iLlZ5Dm9ygEglFm0NNxdNwzRQZnADNo=; b=izliVfBdOvTfEblaKBTp5zopF8OGfjLIdCjQl0FMHdSuwSLxJsoGwHohdkNLB65NhW scKClu3dhbNLbMqX2lEcdKxz98j1tFPLTHDhbevnu0KwddlqIVqzZlvt4yAhGOudXZL2 si0fQ8S8rqxnjztr4sMx39aYQabE/jtavnXTA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=gJd4pTHo3CuiHBixw083DcNuPzSi+Z7DhuU0SiaiaJN4K3UX3YZU5ak7td1nOPW011 dNzZzoAFgXiy3tfFjqIZcg7mLR5yeiAlMFXoberDICjiQmx4yNKHye5oM7TMn2lnb9Ze uxtSLIFz5pvMUdlsxfyk88C9sS7gSiViB+ExA= Received: by 10.142.239.13 with SMTP id m13mr450853wfh.218.1215226816441; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.50.21 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 20:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f30807042000x5e56cc57k8722d3fff878bf6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 22:00:16 -0500 From: "Chris Capel" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mass vs. individual articles In-Reply-To: <925d17560804131127k588f4fbctf9f8f1359ea06b25@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <914168.34348.qm@web58911.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <925d17560804131127k588f4fbctf9f8f1359ea06b25@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 676 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 13:27, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM, 32 foot wrote: >> Could someone give me another, easier to understand explanation of mass vs. >> individual articles? > > The distinction is relevant when a sumti has more than one referent. Compare: > > lei re nanla cu tsamau le ri patfu > "The two boys (together) are stronger than their father." > > ro le re nanla cu tsamau le ri patfu > "Each of the two boys is stronger than their father." How's this for catching up? What would you say the meaning of {le re nanla cu tsamau li'o} is? The same as {ro le re nanla li'o}, even given xorlo? Or indeterminate? On a related note, would you say {lei nanla} would more strongly suggest that there are {su'o re nanla} than does {le nanla}? Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet)