From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jul 05 06:44:00 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KF83T-00011m-JI for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:44:00 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KF83O-00011X-LL for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:43:59 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so569728fga.0 for ; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:43:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fgpaiyJ9Sq2kdhMBkA4NbjnAEH7NoHu3LdwKFrOZVkc=; b=bAzLHXlWw/vZIWBMM9b2Ygrur3hgv8RVYo/+Ouh9q1honnh6bzYhvaOSTstGXVoYz1 VpW0xPZG+MG1D2Suly2GAWVfbgCGZgi91srsCfanPsdXalCjPqkP0rzRx87dPZllZww1 0/sIP8o7vFHnbxT2WulUvf4Jhpno1qn70V5D4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=IruGhUNns6xMqJr3w6RYuao6Ku2GadMM0MOr7DhJauSKJljg6ou8+2rF+lio2nmvLW hWbl8v1rMYz8+SBK6fxt0jUEhm2rjZYr/LpOMTxLn+5/XICFFiYtmgrnVmDl6N9nLKtj ukEdNWXx6G+M0ZuHVAmQnK5HDV4d7DEtsBy3o= Received: by 10.86.82.16 with SMTP id f16mr2052773fgb.9.1215265433073; Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.28.10 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jul 2008 06:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560807050643p34ec0b3eoa65abc5b077ba80d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:43:53 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mass vs. individual articles In-Reply-To: <737b61f30807042000x5e56cc57k8722d3fff878bf6b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <914168.34348.qm@web58911.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <925d17560804131127k588f4fbctf9f8f1359ea06b25@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f30807042000x5e56cc57k8722d3fff878bf6b@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 678 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Chris Capel wrote: > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 13:27, Jorge Llambías wrote: >> >> lei re nanla cu tsamau le ri patfu >> "The two boys (together) are stronger than their father." >> >> ro le re nanla cu tsamau le ri patfu >> "Each of the two boys is stronger than their father." > > What would you say the meaning of {le re nanla cu tsamau li'o} is? The > same as {ro le re nanla li'o}, even given xorlo? Or indeterminate? Indeterminate. > On a related note, would you say {lei nanla} would more strongly > suggest that there are {su'o re nanla} than does {le nanla}? Yes, because there's no reason to use {lei} when the inner quantifier is known to be {pa}. The number could however be unknown, so {lei} does not actually guarantee an inner {su'ore}. mu'o mi'e xorxes